Newbies & .40 S&W

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by NGIB, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    Seems to me that many, many folks new to handguns begin with a gun chambered in .40 and I was just wondering why. Do the gunstores push .40 on new folks or something? No I'm not bashing the .40 as I have one but I'm just wondering why many beginners start down the pistol path with this caliber.

    In large steel guns I find .40 a decent caliber but I do not like the snappy recoil pulse in the smaller and lighter guns. Personally, I think a .45 is easier to shoot accurately if you must have a caliber that starts with a "4". BTW, I expect the "macho" guys to be here soon and extol the virtues of their scandium framed .44 magnum snubbies...
     
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  2. Gojubrian

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    I dunno????? I do know that .40 S&W ammunition is much more availiable in my area than 9mm(rare) or .45acp(unicornish). That would be one reason to own the .40. Additionally, they just want the seemingly more "stopping power" (can be debated) than the 9mm and more round capacity than the .45acp.

    I really liked my XDSC40 and had no trouble managing the recoil. Accurate and reliable, but not near as much as my CZ75B 9mm. A friend of mine is still enjoying my old XD and he wanted the .40 down from the .45 because of cost and availiability. Funny thing, since he got it he has only shot it once. :rolleyes:

    My dad likes 9mm ghey'..er...I mean glocks and my uncle (long time gunsmith) loves 1911's in 10mm. To each their own.

    I believe most people just don't do research before popping into their gunshop and getting a handgun. Most people don't even shoot them much.
     

  3. jimbobpissypants

    jimbobpissypants New Member

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    Some gun shops sell the 40 as a compromise between the high cap. of the 9, and the stopping power of the 45. I guess some people think they are gonna get the best of both calibers, in the 40 Personally, the 40 is the last cal. I would recommend to a newbie. Just too snappy.
     
  4. Gatekeeper

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    After doing much research years ago, my first handgun was......yep 40s&w.
    Liked the Hi-capacity of the 9mm but the 45Acp had the fight stopping reputation.
    So I chose the 40 as a compromise, the best of both worlds, and thats what LEO were switching to at the time.
    Now that I'm older and wiser:rolleyes:
    Can you guess which side of the compromise have I shifted to?
    Give you a hint, it rhymes with 45ACP:D
     
  5. Mr. Bluesky

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    It's bigger than a 9mm and cheaper than a .45, if I had to guess.
     
  6. Missileman

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    I think some new shooters believe a .45 is too brutal to shoot--I agree with others that my .45s are more pleasant to shoot than my .40s. I have a little arthritis and the .40s seems to really affect my wrists, I guess "too snappy" is as close as I can come to the description. Not sure why dealers would push the .40s instead of 9mm for new shooters--I think it's probably more likely the new shooters read up on the .40 and ask for it, but that's just a guess...
     
  7. ninjatoth

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    I'm a big guy that could handle just about any recoil,but since I never owned an auto before-I chose 9mm so that I could afford to master it.I think that the differences in energy between 9mm,.40,and.45 are so close that all of them will do the job just the same-but 9mm ammo is half the price almost of the other 2.
     

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  8. IGETEVEN

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    Hell. I got a couple of M&P .40's. The ammo is abundant around here and I still use them in some steel matches. If you can tame the "snappy recoil" and shoot them enough to keep them on or around 2-3 inch groupings at 15-25 yards, then you will find a .45 will be a piece of cake to shoot and put on target.....IMHO, and from my personal experience of course. :)

    Jack
     
  9. KBlue

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    the only reason I bought a .40 is because the XDSC is not available in .45 auto. The XD45 service model was my first pistol. The only difference i notice in recoil is that the .40 jumps a bit more in my hand; and i attribute that to the smaller size of the sub compact.
     
  10. NGIB

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    I've had the luxury of owning a few of the same guns in .40 and another caliber. I've had XD subcompacts in 9mm & .40, a Kahr PM9 & PM40, a Kahr P40 & P45, and I find the recoil impulse of the .40 in any small platform to be not conducive to fast accurate shooting. The muzzle flip and "snap" is just not worth the moderate gain in ballistics over the 9mm IMHO.

    The reason I bring this up is that a common thread I see is a newbie buying his first gun and it's a .40 and the story doesn't end well. On my local GA forum, a fella decided his dream gun would be a Walther PPS in .40 - and many of us regulars suggested he look at the PPS in 9mm instead. Of course our advice (based on real experience) was ignored.

    He sung the praises of this little cannon for a few weeks, then nothing for a few weeks, and then the gun was listed in the buy/sell/trade section - he was looking for a smallish gun in 9mm...
     
  11. Force4000

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    Im not a big guy in anyway (about 155lbs) but my .40 doesn't have a strong kick to it, I wouldn't say its a hard gun to get use to. No one told me to start out with a .40 cal, A good deal just came around and I made that decision myself.
     
  12. NGIB

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    I saw your post about the 4006 you picked up. Had one myself for a time and as I said early on in this thread .40 from a duty sized steel gun is pleasant to shoot...
     
  13. Force4000

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    yea the gun being a bit heavier does help hold the recoil I am assuming. My buddies Glock 22 seems a bit lighter but has about the same kick and has a tad bit more accuracy from what I can tell.
     
  14. General_lee

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    When I bought my .40, I went with that caliber basically because it was within my price range at the time and it was much bigger and better than the .25 I had at the time.
     
  15. IGETEVEN

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    Although it is all personal preference, if one was was not experienced in handguns and had not had a lot of shooting experience, I would indeed recommend a 9mm as a first starter pistol and pathway to shooting fundamentals. I fired plenty of them damn Beretta 92's in the military. A .22 pistol would be a good starter too, but as noted, the mindset today of most, is bigger is better, even for the beginner, and that is not always necessarily true. People do reason that a .40 would be a medial compromise to a 9mm and a .45 pistol.

    Shooting skills are acquired and learned through much practice and repetition. Once those skills and familiarization are obtained and one is comfortable with handling a particular firearm, then move up in caliber. It is all a learned progression to reach where one is ultimately comfortable in handling a particular firearm caliber with confidence, accuracy, skill, and more importantly, the gross and fine muscle memory needed under pressure.

    The firearm should become an extension of one's own hand. This should be mastered and true with any personally trained handgun caliber handled, and shooting adjustments should be minimal, if any. Personal preference, affordability, and satisfaction of operational comfort, is ultimately the final goal.

    Again, just my humble opinion here, and 0.02 worth of education.


    Jack
     
  16. NGIB

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    As always Jack, you're advice and counsel is welcomed by all. I have nothing against the .40; however, I see lots of newbies wind up unhappy with .40 as a starting caliber - hence my thread...
     
  17. Viking

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    I don't know how other towns and states are but here in S.W. Oregon when ammo was getting scarce .40 S&W ammo was the last one still on the shelves and when ammo started showing up again the .40 S&W ammo is the first and in greatest quantities. Many times when I go into the Grants Pass Wal-Mart the only pistol ammo on the shelves is .22 short, .40 S&W and once and awhile .25 ACP. I haven't seen .45 ACP or 9mm for quite a long time, other gun shops may have those ammo's but they will be premium priced to where I couldn't afford to shoot very many. Though I'd love to own a Springfield 1911 TRP or a Para Ord. 1911 in .45 ACP and had the money to do so I'd probably go for another .40, probably a Kahr MK40 or just get a Mini 14, which has been on my wish list. Considering .223 ammo has been plentiful in all the local gun stores, I've been hinting to my wife that this is a good idea.:D
     
  18. sweeper22

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    I'm pretty new to firearms and do own a .40sw. My reasoning was to get into a larger caliber that was both affordable and easy to find when the shelves were pretty empty. I actually have a 357sig (less practical than a 40 for sure), and added a 40 barrel for cheaper plinking. The two handle about the same.

    That being said, when I went brousing around for my first handgun, if anything I was discouraged from choosing the 40sw because it was dangerous to handload should I ever head in that direction. The first two guns I bought were a 22lr and 9mm. The 22lr was a Sig 226 that converted to the 357/40. Hindsight 20/20, I'd have probably selected a p220 22lr with a 45acp conversion.

    I'm no expert and hardly a seasoned veteran of the firearm world. I do plan to add a 1911 soon enough. But I'm pretty content with the 40sw. Maybe it's my own ignorance and I just don't know what I'm missing out on, but I can't say that I'm dissatisifed.
     
  19. Viking

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    The only danger for handloading for the 40 S&W is if you have a polygonal barrel and use lead bullets, supposedly they build up lead deposits quickly which increases friction which leads to dangerous pressures which can blow out an unsupported case. By unsupported, it means there are areas in the chamber due to long feed ramp or a large cut out in the chamber for the shell extractor that leave the thinner area of the case exposed. Supposedly Glock has this problem with original barrels, Aftermarket barrels with groves and lands "shouldn't" be a problem. My XDm and Stoeger Cougar, both 40's do not have any unsupported areas. I have seen some pics on the internet of blown Glocks, do a search on Kaboom. I handload for both of my 40's with 165 grain Lead TC bullets as well as jacketed hollow points and full metal jacked bullets and have yet to have bulged cases or flattened primers which are sure signs of higher pressures, but then I don't load to the max and I use powders that have the lowest pressure for the best velocity available.
     
  20. Wambli

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    It always amazes me that folks will sell a gun instead of getting proper instruction in how to use it. If he couldn't handle a .40 PPS I doubt he'll do any better with the 9mm version. There are no uncontrolable handguns, just shooters that can't control them... I learned that by watching a rather famous pistol expert empty out a 4" .500 S&W FAST with next to no muzzle rise. Not very dificult if you learn how and practice.
     
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