Newbie with unidentified Bolt Action Rifle

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by jpn8801, Jun 7, 2012.

  1. jpn8801

    jpn8801 New Member

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    Hello All :)

    I have 2 bolt action rifles here that are unidentified. These were my grandfathers, all I know is that they might be japanese and both were re chambered for a .30-06. Anyone know what they might be?

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    Any help I would greatly appreciate.

    Thanks All.
     
  2. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

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    The top one is a a Mosin Nagant.

    Bottom may be a 7.7x58 Arisaka
     
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  3. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

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    Great looking rifles!!!
     
  4. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Toboater is right.. Mosin-Nagant and a Type 99 Arisaka
     
  5. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Mosin Nagant & definitely a Arisaka, but I am not going to guess on the cal. of 6.5 or 7.7...........but I will bet that the Mosin Nagant is 7.62x54R.
     
  6. hardluk1

    hardluk1 Active Member

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    Beautifull old rifles. If you think they are both 30-06 just to be sure of the cartidge that the rifles are chambered for you really should slug the chambers. If they are 30-06 then try a go-no go gauge in them. To nice to take a chance with.
     
  7. jpn8801

    jpn8801 New Member

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    No to sound ignorant, what is "Slug The Chambers"? Most likely I will take them to a gunsmith and ask what round they are chambered in.
     
  8. jpn8801

    jpn8801 New Member

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    Thank You! These pictures do not do them any justice that's for sure.
     
  9. jpn8801

    jpn8801 New Member

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    Thank you all for contributing to the answer! I do appreciate it.

    So tell me, would it be a bad thing if i shot these rifles? They have beautiful etch work, custom stocks but I REALLY want to put some rounds through them! Don't get me wrong, I will clean them extensively before I do so since they need it, then maintain them.. I never understood how someone can put a rifle/handgun away without cleaning it? Guess that is just one of my pet peavs?

    And, on the Arisaka with the pinhole sight, I believe the sight needs to be oiled/re-worked since the elevation will not go up and down, you have to loosen the thumb screw on the front then adjust with the one on top but it does not want to move freely (to much friction) would you guys recommend taking it to a gunsmith to get re-worked? Are there any Gunsmiths that you guys would recommend me taking it to that are trustworthy around Riverside County, CA?
     
  10. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    If they have been re-chambered etc. Shoot em.
     
  11. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    I would have them checked out by a gunsmith. There were some Mosins and other military rifles that were rechambered to .30-06 where they did a poor job and there were some isues with them being safe. SAome were completely rebarreled and would be fine. My concern with the Mosin would be that of converting it from a rimmed cartridge to a "rimless" cartridge.

    Not saying that yours can't be shot, but I'd definitely let someone check chambering and safety issues first.
     
  12. towboater

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    Get em checked out. Then if it turns out that they can be fired, shoot the crap out of them. Enjoy those great looking hand-me-downs. I'd be sure to keep em in the family.
     
  13. jpn8801

    jpn8801 New Member

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    Absolutely. That's the plan.
     
  14. therewolf

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    I guess it all comes down to

    how do you know they were re-chambered

    to 30.06?


    The firing line is a pissed poor place to find out

    you were wrong...
     
  15. jpn8801

    jpn8801 New Member

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    Well, I went to a gunsmith, both are not chambered to 30-06, He explained that he wouldn't even fire them, just clean them and hang on the wall. That was a bit disapointing. However, he did tell me that he had never seen a Arisaka like mine :) Whomever did the gunsmithing was good and did very well.

    Now I'm wondering about selling them. How much do you think they are worth?
     
  16. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Why did he say not to shoot them? People shoot mosins and arisakas all the time.
     
  17. pagj17

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    In regards to a gunsmith, call ammo brothers in Ontario.
     
  18. towboater

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    Id be very tempted to get another opinion. Those are tough old war rifles. Most of em are safe to shoot.
     
  19. HockaLouis

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    Arisaka's are one of the most overlooked actions to rebarrel. Great.
     
  20. Viking

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    I gave a sporterized Arisaka to a gunsmith friend and he told me that as the war went on the Japanese rifles became less well made to the point of being dangerous with anything more than factory ammo pressures. Just my two cents worth. Always be safe!