NEWBIE looking for some advice!!

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by -solid-snake-, Feb 17, 2009.

  1. -solid-snake-

    -solid-snake- New Member

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    Hi all, here, from Spain!!! sorry for my poor english :D

    I'm looking forward buying a "Tactical Precision" Rifle because I really love that, but as you know here in Spain that's not very easy, and there isn't any information, magazines, and all the stuff about weapons, and even more if they're "Tactical Precision" rifles...

    Because of that I found this website and I thought you, weapons experts, should recomend me which rifle (type, characteristics and mark) I must buy.

    Remember: I can't spend more than 1200 dollars and I want to buy a lock rifle (it's said that way?) with scope to learn (I found a training manual) how to shoot in distance. I will begin with 100, 200 yards, but at the end I want to achieve 500 or more.

    And another question... I found a "Specialized" Mosin Nagant (I'm a IIWW fan) for 700 dollars, is that a good choice or a new weapon is better?
     
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  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Welcome to the Forum S-S

    I have edited your post a bit as we don't use the "S" word in the open forums. Too many people take it the wrong way. We say "Tactical" for an urban environment shooter or "Tactical Precision" for a long range shooter. :D

    The guys will be along shortly to offer some insight, I am sure....

    Can you tell us a little bit about your shooting experience. Did you have any military service under your belt? Have you been shooting long? What are gun laws like in Spain?

    JD
     

  3. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Welcome here/Bienvenidos. :)
     
  4. bobbyb13

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    Welcome to the forum

    Your english is excellent. And you John D. of all people, maker of most excellent bolt rifles, should be more than able to point this man in the right direction. Your modesty is not acceptable:D Chain being yanked JD. In fun, but you can do it.
     
  5. Dillinger

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    I appreciate that brother - and I intend of giving a long winded response later, but I am at work at the moment and actually expected to DO SOMETHING other than talk guns and moderate this wonderful forum. :D

    JD
     
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  7. skullcrusher

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    *female vioce*

    "Snaaaaake"
     
  8. -solid-snake-

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    That's a great welcome! Thanks :D

    I've no experience... I'm feeling embarrased about it, but here in Spain is nearly impossible to shoot :mad: because our laws are very strict about it. You have to get a lot of Police Permissions and pay taxes Now, I'm 21 and I want to follow my grandfathers' path... being a shooter :cool: All my life I wanted to have a rifle and practice "tactical precision" but our non-weapon culture made me see it impossible. Here a shooter (excepting hunters) is treated like a psyco in most of cases.

    I've no military experience. I'm studying to be a doctor but my dream was always been a military tactical shooter: what happened? Spanish army is a piece of crap, they're all fat, bored and/or smoked.

    I found this in a Spanish web:

    http://62.15.226.148/tc/2009/01/31/11790788.jpg

    http://62.15.226.148/tc/2009/01/31/11790788_2689322.jpg

    The seller says it's from 1942 (excluded the scope's support).

    The historical significance (WWII!!) is a point in favor to buy it, but I don't know if it's a good rifle for what I'm going to do, and if I will find it difficult to shoot well or to find ammo, I mean more than with a modern rifle.

    I would like to buy a M24 SWS Remington.... maybe when I get a job.

    And a SVD Dragunov (like that one in MGS3) is also very atractive... but they're both so expensive for they money I have.

    I think that buying the weapon outside Spain is not possible... one time I bought 8 M1 Garand bullets with the clip (original, founden in Koernisberg or something like that, underground, 30 years after battle) and they take a lot of months to come by mail because it passed a lot of controls. I dont want to wonder what will happen with a rifle!!! I can imagine 9 GEOS (like SWAT) teams taking down de postman!!!

    You can advice with names, and I could found them here!!
     
  9. AsmelEduardo

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    Spain

    Bienvenido Solid.-
    A few things that SolidSnake don't told to you about firearms in Spain.
    Their laws about guns sucks... they have a quota, you have a maximum number of guns that are alowed according to use and license that you have... Semiautos are not alowed in NATO calibers, so forget .308 (7,62x51) or .223(5,56x45), however they still can buy 7,62x39 AKs or .222Rem ARs, and .307Win FALs and CETMEs,
    In Bolt rifles they have a little bit more variety... 30-06, 7,62x54, 243Win, 7mmRem, 270WSM, 300WSM and .308 and some other calibers that I can't remember at this moment...
    For less than 800€ you can buy some interesting things:
    Bolt action: a bare Remington 700 or a Weatherby Vanguard Syntetic (with Pentaflex 2,5-10x50PI scope + rings) or a CZ 550 Std All of them in .308Win. If you are in a budget can buy a Savage Arms Mod.11 in .308Win. (comes with a mounted Simmons 3-9x40 scope) or a Marlin XL7 in .30-06, the .30-06 can be found easily in all over europe, because it's popular among hunters.
    Semiautos: The semiautos are cheaper...
    You can buy a Samopal VZ58 (AK47), or a CETME (in .307)
    The Mossin are not bad either, it's too cheaper (about 250€) but I do prefer something newer.
    En horabuena!:D
     
  10. Benning Boy

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    LMFAO, I can't tell you how many hundreds of times I've heard that. For some reason, it's always my own Claymores.

    Could you tell us more about the gun laws in Spain? It may have some bearing.

    And don't spend $700 on the Mosin.:eek:
     
  11. AsmelEduardo

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    About gun laws in Spain...

    As far as I know exist 6 type of licenses (A, B, C, D, E, F)
    A: "war weapons" only for army
    B: "personal firearm (private owner handgun)" you have to probe the you NEED and explain why you should need a handgun, you only can have one (01) handgun under license type B, OMG! BTW! SELF DEFENSE is not a valid excuse to obtain a type B license (you must be a very wanted by terrorist and stuff)
    C: "security personel handgun" only for licensed bodyguards and/or security personel
    D: "hunting rifles" you have right to 5 hunting rifles, but you can only buy 1, the other 4 you need permision by the local police to buy each one; You need a license type D to buy ammo, parts and accesories for type D firearms.
    E: "shotguns, crossbows, .22 rifles, sport rifles (recreational shooting) and airguns" under license type E you can have a maximum of 12 items, but only can have a maximum of 6 shotguns and/or 6 "not-shotguns".
    F: "specialized competitive shooting firearms" you must have to be afiliated in some recognized firearms related sporting/competititve club/organization
     
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  12. Bighead

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    I'm not sure what the pricing would be there, but here you can get a Remington 700 well within your price range, and just choose the caliber that your laws will allow. You will have to research all the different variants to find the options you want on a tactical rifle, or you might be able to find a used 700 PSS (Police) for your budget.

    They make the 700 in a ton of different calibers, but I like .308 Winchester (7.62x51 NATO), 7MM Magnum, and 300 Winchester Magnum. I can also highly recommend a popular text on the topic, The Ultimate Sniper by Major John Plaster. Major Plaster also has a website at UltimateSniper.com

    Good luck and good shooting.
     
  13. AsmelEduardo

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    Remington under 800€

    Under 800€ in Spain you could find a Remington 700ADL in .30-60 wood stock (695€) or Remington 700ADL in .30-06 or 7mm syntetic stock (797€) or a Remington 700SPS in .308 or .300WSM (765€)
    I estimate your budget less than 800€ because you have to spend in a scope and some ammo at first... I don't know how much you could spend in license and permits... as you said that you can't spend more than $1200 (about 950€)
     
  14. -solid-snake-

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    Hi again men! I posted here but the message doesn't appeared so i'm going to repost it:

    That's a great welcome! Thanks :D

    I've no experience... I'm feeling embarrased about it, but here in Spain they's a non-weapon culture :mad: because our laws are very strict about it, as you confirmed. You have to get a lot of Police Permissions and pay taxes Now, I'm 21 and I want to follow my grandfathers' path... being a shooter :cool: All my life I wanted to have a rifle and practice "tactical precision". Here a shooter (excepting hunters) is treated like a psyco in most of cases.

    I've no military experience. I'm studying to be a doctor but my dream was always been a military tactical shooter: what happened? Spanish army is a piece of crap, they're all fat, bored and/or smoked.

    I found this in a Spanish web:

    http://62.15.226.148/tc/2009/01/31/11790788.jpg

    http://62.15.226.148/tc/2009/01/31/11790788_2689322.jpg

    The seller says it's from 1942 (excluded the scope's support).

    The historical significance (WWII!!) is a point in favor to buy it, but I don't know if it's a good rifle for what I'm going to do, and if I will find it difficult to shoot well or to find ammo, I mean more than with a modern rifle.

    I would like to buy a M24 SWS Remington.... maybe when I get a job.

    And a SVD Dragunov (like that one in MGS3) is also very atractive... but they're both so expensive for they money I have and I think its not legal.

    I think that buying the weapon outside Spain is not possible... one time I bought 8 M1 Garand bullets with the clip (original, founden in Koernisberg or something like that, underground, 30 years after battle) and they take a lot of months to come by mail because it passed a lot of controls. I dont want to wonder what will happen with a rifle!!! I can imagine 9 GEOS (like SWAT) teams taking down de postman!!!

    Remington 710 is a good choice for what I've searched!! thanks!! What's the difference between YOUTH model and normal? what about scopes? ammo or other alternatives?? teach me!!
     
  15. -solid-snake-

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    doh! sorry for the double message, i didn't read a moderator have to read it before!! sorry ;)
     
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  17. AsmelEduardo

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    That's what are you paying for.... for historical value, not for a shooting rifle... If you want shoot on a regular basis don't buy it, save that money for something else; In Arminse you can buy one Mossin Nagant for 250€. However, if you want a rifle to exibit in your living room.... a WWII piece of history will start a good conversation. To me.... buy another thing, specially if you can't own many arms as you want, don't waste your "cupo" on this...
    M24 SWS Remington is not another thing that a super tuned Remington 700... you could start from that. In Arminse as I said in a previus post you can buy a Remington 700 from 765€.
    I don't talk about a Dragunov because as I say, you are in a budget, but you can buy a Dragunov for 1195€($1500).
    The diference betwen a Youth and a Regular Adult model is the lenght of the stock, youth firearms have a shorter stock for shoter arms. In spanish: la diferencia es el largo de la culata... la Youth (niño/joven) es mas corta para brazos mas cortos como los de un niño.
    A Dragunov is a good starting point for recreational long shoots, but I do prefer a Bolt Action Rifle as the Remington 700. Or the other options for the budget... a Weatherby Vanguard Syntetic in .308(with Pentaflex 2,5-10x50PI scope + rings) for 750€ or a Savage Arms Mod.11 in .308Win. (comes with a mounted Simmons 3-9x40 scope) for 549€ or a Marlin XL7 in .30-06 for 498€.
    If you earn every "duro" that you spend, and have a budget already, stick on the options that I sugest... for the use that you want (recreational long shots) a good bolt action will do the job. For the budget that you say <950€ there's not many options... I would say buy the Savage or the 700SPS. The Remington 710 in .30-06 is a good choice too
    I buy the ARMAS magazine time to time, that's why I know something about Spain gun laws... and that's why I know Arminse...:rolleyes:
    Cualquier cosa que no entiendas o cualquier otra duda me puedes enviar un mensaje privado en español :D
     
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  18. dnthmn2004

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    Please don't buy a Remington 710. They are junk. If you want a all around decent rifle for the price, get a Remington 700 (although JD will disagree with anything good said about a 700) Going back to your original idea of a shotgun, wouldn't it be easier to get a Benelli Super Nova rather than an imported shotgun from the USA?
     
  19. AsmelEduardo

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    He don't want a Shotgun, he want a rifle for shooting above 500 yards.
    Spain gun laws are very very restrictive since the Civil War (1936-1939) and WWII... They was in a dictatorship (by Francisco Franco) until 1975 so the new government afraid from another civil war and bloodshed set new restrictive gun laws, since 1975 gun laws don't evolve too much....
    In Spain (as all over Europe) any product that says "MADE IN AMERICA (north or south)" are very expensive... but firearms are expensive itself, by impositive taxes (as in here in Venezuela, but in here is for political reasons - the last week ask for a Glock: $3000) and obtain a license for firearms is a pain in the @ss, so not many people have firearms but hunters and competitive shooters... they have this concept of "war weapon" and that's why they can’t buy "SURs" in NATO calibers.
    About Remington 710... he's in a budget... You would suggest the Savage Arms Mod. 11 (Hunter Package .308Win.) instead?
     
  20. Benning Boy

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    The first pictures you posted are either a Mosin Nagant M-44 or a 91-30.

    They are Russian, the 91-30 is an excellent distance rifle. In America, they can be had for about $70 U.S., and are fairly common. Many people have them, and the big selling point is that surplus ammo is cheap, but is manufactured in many countries with different quality.

    I've never tried one past 500 meters, but up to that, it's pretty precise.