Newb 9mm shooter, grip issues

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by CZ Newb, Aug 6, 2020.

  1. CZ Newb

    CZ Newb Active Member

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    not to start some flamefest, but finding "competent, experienced, professional" ANYTHING can be a real challenge. bad instruction is way worse than no instruction IMO. Besides which, there are videos showing anything we could possibly need to know.

    Id much rather learn what i can on my own so then at least I start to know what I dont know.

    Ive pretty much been self taught on everything ive learned so far. its worked for 53 years so I guess ill stick with it
     
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  2. TelstaR

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    Good luck, that logic sounds like a paradox.

    self taught = untrained
    Untrained often = LIABILITY, RISK or DANGER

    untrained might work out ok when the safety risk is low, danger is relatively low, consequences of failure are low, consequences of error are low or when liability to self and others is deemed low.

    Perhaps there are some people who can figure out scuba diving all on their own but risk regarding personal safety and the potential consequences of error are rather high. I would say that shooting a handgun would fall into a similar category of risk.
     
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  3. CZ Newb

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    that all sounds nice but think of the actuality of the situation. How many gun owners have been professionally "trained".

    how many car drivers have been PROFESSIONALLY trained? Do you count the drivers ed classes we took as being "professional"? No. So in reality you taught yourself to drive

    how any mothers who cook every day were 'trained'??

    Most things in life we learn as we go.

    Okay, it takes some training to get into a 757 and fly to a destination.....then again who taught Wright brothers?

    I dont think plinking at the range is quite as intense as flying a plane or doing brain surgery


    We learn as we go. I dont think one needs a teacher to go and plink at the range. Yeah, if I plan to join a SWAT team ill assume id need some specialized training
     
  4. CZ Newb

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    btw id love to to go some classes such as these type.

    but you go to, say, one of these per year and then you go to the range like 100 times on your own.

    in the end you ARE your own teacher
     
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  5. G66enigma

    G66enigma Well-Known Member

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    @CZ Newb -- If you ever get the chance, consider one of the following ...

    GunSite Academy. Such as their 3-day GunSite 150 course, or their 5-day GunSite 250 one.

    Thunder Ranch. One of their various Defensive Handgun courses.


    Can ensure you've got the fundamentals down, and helps provide a solid basic knowledge for use of defensive arms in self-defense situations.
     
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  6. PANDEMIC

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    I never recieved any kind of professional training when I got into guns. It was all self taught. The only time I got some training was when I took my CCW class. But that was more about laws, conceal/open carry, where you can and cannot carry, what to do if you do find yourself in a defensive shooting, what happens afterwards etc etc. The proficiency test was just 50 rounds, and my teacher gave me some pointers on squeezing the trigger not jerking it and what not and that was it.

    But aside from that everything else gun related was all self taught.
     
  7. TelstaR

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    Brother... there are not many choices here. You either "wing it" on your own or you received some training from SOMEONE. The world aint perfect and its possible you get a lack luster trainer. Still, it generally falls back to wing it .. or not. I am a proponent of seeking some training. I dont care if it is some guy you pay or some friend, uncle or whatever.. who is squared away and willing to teach you. The bottom line is that a person is the recipient of some training. The subject matter is serious enough and the consequences of error or failure are high enough that it warrants the effort. At least to me it does. Others may feel differently and that is fine. The dude asked so I offered my 2 cents.

    ..again, as I said previously.. we are talking about tasks with a high degree of risk, danger and consequence. I already conceded that [winging it] may work just fine with lesser tasks.

    True.. and there were fatalities associated with those endeavors. In the year 2020 we are not on the cusp of inventing the firearm. Flying in the early 1900s was a little different. How many people in the world could have taught them about flying. In current day USA, there is a firearms training outfit on nearly every corner. Its just not a fair comparison in my estimation

    well ok..

    good luck
     
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  8. CZ Newb

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    I appreciate your perspective but I bet over 90% of the people who shoot guns regularly didnt get any real training. Possibly 99% including on this forum.

    What professional training have you had?

    I mean, you do realize we have thousands of pros giving lessons on youtube etc?

    "good luck"?? what am i doing...climbing Mt Everest? sheez

    tell you what, if it makes u sleep better ill look into this class since its like 10 minutes down the road lol

    http://doublehgunsmithing.com/trifold_final.pdf
     
  9. CZ Newb

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    "winging it" doesnt even really come into play.

    One can be a student of the game without having a teacher hold his hand. Thats a far cry from "winging it" lol
     
  10. armoredman

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    I qualified Expert or Distinguished Expert every year for the last 18 years with my outfit, but as actual combat shooting training goes, it's bare bones minimum. I recently came into a Front Sight membership, and when things calm down and I can do it, I am going to take some of their classes. I started off getting trained by my dad how to shoot, and I have taken the time to educate my son as well as best I can.
     
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  11. G66enigma

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    As many videos and books as exist, there are simply a number of things that can be hard to get right unless a back-and-forth dialog exists with student and trainer. The facts for many of the fundamentals, sure, are relatively easy to show; but the subtle distinctions with feel, balance, timing and such ... that's something else. Haven't seen many good books/vids on these elements, in 25+ years of looking.

    Not saying that training via a trainer is vital, and that capability can't occur without them.

    But it can be your best, quickest way to cut through the chaff and get to the wheat. It shouldn't be discounted as unnecessary.

    If nothing else, a handful of competent trainers can generally quickly evaluate those fundamentals and any minor errors a student shows, correcting the issue(s) so that those errors don't become ingrained into a person's way of doing things.
     
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  12. CZ Newb

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    I just equate it to other things ive learned in my life. Ive played electric lead guitar for over 32 years. no lessons. I also was heavily into golf for a while. Also done bodybuilding, weightlifting on and off for going on 40 years. Raced BMX and jumped bikes as a kid etc.

    Learning is itself a skill. One has to "learn to learn" and that is the opposite of "learned helplessness".

    Shooting a gun into a target is infinitely simpler than trying to hit a ball onto a fairway lol

    A huge advantage with a gun is that you get instant feedback. you either hit the target right or you dont.
     
  13. Trunk Monkey

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    And 90% of the people who shoot guns regularly don't do a good job of it.

    I've had The NRA Basic Handgun Safety course. I've had low light training from my employer. I've been through the EMT-B course. I've had threat assessment and UOF and Critical Incident Reponse training. I e had FOF training. I've had training on how to clear a building. OC/Handcuffing training. and I graduated from the Field Artillery Training Center at Ft. Sill Oklahoma.


    The guys on YouTube can't assess your performance and correct your deficiencies.


    No you're training to defend yourself against someone without violating your local Use Of Force laws.
     
  14. CZ Newb

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    FO
     
  15. Rifling82

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    She has some big guns