New York weapon problem

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Jeff9000cd, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. Jeff9000cd

    Jeff9000cd New Member

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    One Sunday morning in June of last year a pharmacy opened around 10am. Shortly after opening a man walked in and shot the customers in the store, killeding them. He then went to the people who worked there and demanded drugs. After getting his drugs he shot the 2 people who worked there and killed them. At that point everyone in the store was dead, one of them being a 17 year old girl who was graduating high school the next week. Although he was caught a few weeks later it doesn't make up for the 4 dead because he needed drugs.

    Now for my questions. If we could carry in this state, do you think that girl would have been able to graduate? Does anyone have a simaler story with a happy ending? What does it take for us to regain our 2nd amendment rites?
     
  2. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    She may have still died, but some other lives could have been saved.

    Curiosity, did the killer have priors?
     

  3. Jeff9000cd

    Jeff9000cd New Member

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    do u mean prior shootings?
     
  4. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Any priors. Is he a habitual criminal? Grand larceny, drug charges, shootings, robberies, assault. These are regular offenses that result in the repeat offenders ending up back on the street to further terrorize the community.

    The real problem is not gun control, its criminal control. Our legal system is total crap.
     
  5. Jeff9000cd

    Jeff9000cd New Member

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    He was fired from a few jobs for stealing but other than that no major crimes. He was addicted to drugs and in this state if you can get a gun your more powerful than anyone else. I feel like ccws would help. That's my opinion
     
  6. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    I think so too.
     
  7. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    you can carry in NYS but the rules are sometimes tricky. No carry in NYC, erie county, or Genesee county. most everywhere else its okay. NYS is carry concealed State with permit. takes like a year to get the permit in some cases.. took me 7 months
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    would have maybe. who knows? what if NYC did allow CC? would it have made any difference in this case? only if someone having a CC was there and willing to take action. even in a state that allows CC, these incidents will still happen, because not everyone has one. CC owners are still a very small percentage of the population.

    sad thing is, gun control has never eliminated or decreased crime, and it never will. the only thing IMO, that will ever show a decrease in crime is allowing any law abiding citizen the right and ability to defend themselves. give the rights back to the citizens who abide by the law and support them. quit giving a free ride to the criminals, and showing more support for their rights over those of the victims. stop allowing criminals the right to sue someone for defending themselves.
     
  9. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    NYC is the worst city to be caught with a gun, even though one must carry one for protection. An urban jungle of the worst kind some years back.

    "Bernhard Goetz best known for shooting four black men who tried to mug him on a New York City Subway train,
    resulting in his conviction for illegal possession of a firearm. He came to symbolize New Yorkers’ frustrations with the
    high crime rates of the early 1980s. The incident occurred on a No. 2 train in Manhattan on December 22, 1984. It
    sparked a nationwide debate on vigilantism, the perceptions of race and crime in major cities, and the legal limits of self-defense.

    "Goetz fired a revolver five times, seriously wounding the muggers. Following this incident, he was dubbed the 'Subway Vigilante'
    by the New York press, and was both praised and vilified in the media and in public opinion. He surrendered to police nine days later. And was
    eventually charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless endangerment, and several firearms offenses. A jury found him not guilty of all
    charges except an illegal firearms possession count, for which he served two-thirds of a one-year sentence."
    ~ Wikipedia

    Had it not been for the publicity and overwhelming support of the public, Goetz would still be rotting behind bars. For NYC is so against the 2nd amendment.
     

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  10. michigan0626

    michigan0626 New Member

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    You really need to read some of John Lott JR's work, especially "More Guns, Less Crime."

    If I remember right, the states that shifted from MAY ISSUE to SHALL ISSUE ccw permits saw an average drop in crime of 5-8%. Check out the drop in crime, especially violent crime in Chicago and DC after the ban was deemed unconstitutional. Do some homework.
     
  11. orangello

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    I really don't think anyone can know for certain what impact it would have had to have an armed person in that pharmacy. I think that it is only logical to believe that potential armed resistance could have saved, at least, some of the lives lost that day. I am absolutely CERTAIN that the killer would have been more reluctant to try this murderous robbery if the state allowed its citizens to protect themselves with concealed firearms; why do you think more donut shops don't get robbed?

    Personally, i suggest people leave such restrictive states for truly free states. In MS, i can have a firearm in my car without a permit. I personally have NO PLANS to visit sillinois or NYC, due in large part to the nazi-esque firearms laws.
     
  12. Vincine

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    New York City (downstate) and the rest of New York State (upstate) are like two separate countries. It’s important to not comingle them. You can carry in NYS, but not in NYC.
     
  13. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Preachin' to the choir, man.
     
  14. Jeff9000cd

    Jeff9000cd New Member

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    Im on Long Island, which although is not NYC and you can get a CCW, it is nearly impossable. i dont even want to attempt to get that permit, too much time and money.
     
  15. vincent

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    Like 'Gello said, just move if that's an option. Either that or get 100 thousand friends together on election day and vote the sob's out...Who knows if an armed citizen would have made an impact, impossible to speculate but I can't see how it would have hurt things...

    I haven't been home (Boston) in over 10 years just for the simple fact that I'm not allowed to carry there...(the law, not me)...and I don't miss it one bit...
     
  16. HOSSFLY

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    I doubt it but theres just to many varibiles -- Don't matter if its New York or New Mexico :(
    Always sad to hear stuff like that -----
     
  17. Chandler51

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    I think he said the same thing you did...
     
  18. jeepejeep

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    It's almost impossible to get a CCW on LI. Your average Joe cannot for sure. I tried for years. Upstate is another story and the City you can forget it. I hate this Liberal Stinkhole.
     
  19. wjnfirearms

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    It always amazed me how facts can go unrecognized. Maybe it's because the Progressives are louder than the rational thinking people and their voices get heard. The "will of the people" be damned. In the areas or countries that don't let the population go armed, crime flourishes. Look at the UK. Since the gun ban there, crime has peaked. Canada doesn't get it either. Chicago and DC were told that their bans were unconstitutional, but that hasn't stopped them. Why should NY be different?

    I've always contended that for the rational voices to be heard, we need to get as loud and constant as the libs and drown out their rhetoric once and for all. Why that doesn't happen is beyond me, especially now in light of the total political and economic climate.