New York AG Seeks to Dissolve The NRA

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by alsaqr, Aug 6, 2020.

  1. Mowgli Terry

    Mowgli Terry Member

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    Nuff said on this end. All can see just what happened.
     
  2. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    Really .? What part of anything I said doesn't jive with that one plainly written Amendment?.

    It's the NRAs waffling about that one clear sentence that cost them heavily in membership. That they were mishandling funds shouldnt surprise anyone and is hopefully the last nail in their coffin.
     

  3. G66enigma

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    Such folks often don't get anywhere, though.

    The old adage "Nice guys finish last" is old 'cause it's very frequently spot-on.

    Even if there were a couple of honorable, principled "leadership" types in the current organization, it might well be nobody knows who they are and won't let them lift their heads above the grass to be seen. Hard to know for sure.

    Would like a very severe deep-cleaning done, there. It's a high-minded, idealistic approach to protection of the liberty that needs to exist. (Whether in that form or not.) Other groups do exist, but the NRA has a long-standing history that's hard to beat. It has potential. It's just messed its shorts too many times, tripping on the goo. Clean that up, and it's got potential.

    But then, there's the ultimate goal of the "destroyers" out there. Erasure of resistance against the burn-the-RKBA crowd. They want it gone. Can't get it gone while effective defense of it still exists. And if the capable or powerful groups can be lopped off at the legs, one by one, nobody'll be happier than those seeking its destruction. In that sense, it's likely all part of the plan. In the "follow the money" sense. They want the RKBA gone. (At least, it's ostensible protection gone). On that basis, the sooner the NRA's burned down, for whatever reason, the better.
     
  4. Mowgli Terry

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    I would suspect it would work is to do a timeline on the exodus from the NRA. Many people were pretty vocal on the way out. The leaving started earlier than revelations about the money IIRC. There are root causes not a root cause. What really happened to the membership.

    Added: Right, a leadership with no hidden agenda. Looks like there were a number of people on the take. An organization that is in nobodies back pocket?
     
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  5. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Judges frequently pull decisions out of their "top hat", agenda has more to do with it than reading comprehension.
     
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  6. 7point62

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    Amen.

    If the wolves are at the gate it's because of La Pierre. He needed to get kicked out years ago. The guy is such a freaking ghoul every time he opens his trap I cringe.

    The NRA is sorely in need of shrewd representative leadership, the kind that can effectively and rationally counter the constant attacks coming from the Left. La Pierre is probably the worst person you could pick to be the public image of the NRA.

    God, I miss Heston.
     
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  7. Mercator

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    I’m naturally conservative and don’t like rocking the boat especially a successful one like the NRA. But too much has come against Lapierre, and he has failed to even respond coherently. I hope Letitia comes handy in the end.
     
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  8. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    A self dealing scoundrel and his hired minions were allowed to gain control of the NRA board of directors by leveraging board apathy and awarding lucrative contracts to about one fourth of the directors. Rather than ensure the NRA was run according to the organization bylaws, most members of the board do Wayne La Pierre's bidding.

    Each year only about seven percent of NRA members bother to vote in the board of directors elections. We voted in movie stars, rock stars, singers, ball players, senior retired law enforcement officers who were unvetted for support of our Second Amendment rights and many others who cared less about their duty to the organization.

    Candidates for the NRA board of directors are chosen by, you guessed it, a nominating committee of the board of directors: Members of the board who dare break from the mold will not be nominated for re-election. Years ago NRA members could nominate folks for the board by collecting 250 signatures on a petition. Now the number of signatures is so high that option is nearly impossible to attain.

    One member of the NRA board, Joaquin Jackson, a retired Texas Ranger; shilled for an "assault weapons" ban on TV and was re-elected to the NRA board after the board defended him. Some honest members of the NRA board were refused access to the bylaws.

    IMO: The best outcome would be the appointment of an independent receiver to oversee NRA operations.
     
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  9. Mowgli Terry

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    As an opinion I think it would be good to take a look at where Wayne and the advertising agency took the NRA. The attacks from the left were nothing compared to the damage done to the NRA by the in-group in the NRA.

    Most anti-gun people are ignorant Kool-Aid drinkers. Of late this picture is changing with the anti-gun people. From what I can tell the NRA lost influence dramatically since the war started with Ollie. What is this about? One cause could be being dead broke and facing bankruptcy.
     
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  10. G66enigma

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    There shall be no laws written regarding the free exercise of speech, association, etc. (1A)

    There shall be no impacts upon the free ownership and carrying of arms. Even says why that's so vital, to retain that prohibition upon such impediments: because an effective, well-armed citizenry is the best guarantee that a free people can remain free. (Translation: it's tougher to strip a well-armed man of all he's got when he's capable of standing and fighting; and such a fight won't amount to much with disarmed men.) (2A)

    Pretty simple, really, when it comes right down to it.

    Failing that, the NRA has failed the citizens who've expected more. I'd like to think that's why they're being eviscerated right now ... but that'd be false.

    The people doing the monkeyshines, and the "oversight" folks failing the test through lack of integrity and "grit," they caused it themselves. And everyone's going to pay for that malfeasance. Perhaps truly everyone.
     
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  11. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Indeed the NRA is dead broke. They can't pay back the five million dollars borrowed from the NRA Foundation. In spite of that fact La Pierre won't drop the lawsuit against Ackerman-McQueen that is killing the organization.

    July and August here are hot; working outside in 100 degree hear is hard. So i've spent a few hundred hours looking into nearly every aspect of the NRA dumpster fire.

    La Pierre bud Wilson "Woody" Phillips is the former NRA Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer (CFO). Phillips had embezzled money from previous employers:

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/the-nra-hired-a-cfo-who-was-caught-embezzling/

    At the NRA Phillips played fast and loose with input to the annual IRS Form 990 reports and the NY CHAR 500 reports concerning the relationship with Ack-Mac and other entities. Some of Phillips underlings blew the whistle and he left the NRA. The new guy is honest and refused to play the game. That's the reason La Pierre turned on his close friends and accomplices at Ack-Mac.
     
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  12. Mowgli Terry

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    More will be coming out as the investigation continues in New York. In other sources there was talk of private travel agents who handled the luxury trips not related to NRA business. There was a suggestion of kickbacks to board members. The anti-gun people well aware of and make use of this scandal. So Wayne and crew ,doing there thing, does impact my firearm ownership.

    Do you think that way that Ack-Mac and Wayne had taken the NRA politically could have been a factor in the exodus. How about the response to MSD shooting? Was the highhanded behavior as seen by others have to do with paybacks? Some of this stuff may or may not have had any effect. Point being was behavior beyond the clothing allowance etc. have anything to do with today's disaster. Right or wrong on this level is not the question. Here, we would be looking for other causes than Wayne
     
  13. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yes. Dana Loesch is a really cute gal. However, her simplistic attempts at political humor antagonized many NRA members.

    Yes. Ack-Mac further politicized the NRA and Wayne La Pierre. Ack-Mac was responsible for the failed NRA TV and Carry Guard ventures. The NRA board of directors bears significant blame for their lack of oversight.
     
  14. alsaqr

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