New white tail deer rifle?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Mfuller1209, Dec 21, 2015.

  1. Mfuller1209

    Mfuller1209 New Member

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    I'm in the market for a new deer rifle. Right now I shoot a 7mm bolt action, have been looking at a cva Hunter 45/70 or 35 whelen. Which is a better deer cartridge?
     
  2. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Those are some big deer cartridges! :eek:
     

  3. Dallas53

    Dallas53 Well-Known Member

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    how much experience do you have with either cartridge? both can be somewhat expensive to shoot unless you reload.

    if you aren't reloader, i would keep in mind the price of factory ammo when making that decision. both are excellent cartridges though.
     
  4. Seargent_York

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    depends on a lot of things. That 45/70 is going to behave totally different than the .35 Whelan (which is very similar to a 30-06 ballistics, ie: long range hits hard). You mentioned you own a 7mm, what kind? (7mm rem mag, etc)

    That 45/70 is great if you are taking shots 150 yards or less. It starts dropping like a meteor when it loses a little steam. I see it as a beefed up 30-30
     
  5. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    I certainly would reconsider the two cartridges you mentioned. Expensive to start with and the 45-70 is not for most new shooters and hunters. Has some recoil compared to other good deer calibers like the 270, 308, 30-06, 7MM Rem Mag., and common traditional rounds that are readily available and at a fairly reasonable price. Only my thoughts.

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  6. Mfuller1209

    Mfuller1209 New Member

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    Yeah well I've also been considering a 300win mag. I shoot long shots mostly power lines.
     
  7. Donn

    Donn Active Member

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    7mm, 300wmr, 45-70? An awful lot of gun for white tail. I've got a 45-70. A beefed-up 30-30? My loading charts say it can be loaded for elephant. Try that with your 30-30. MHO? Short range, 44mag. Long range, 270 or 308 are more than enough.
     
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  8. 303tom

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    I`d say go with the .300 Win. Mag. You can`t go wrong with the a .30 caliber !.................
     
  9. Mfuller1209

    Mfuller1209 New Member

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    Sorry my phone isn't sending me notifications when someone comments. I shoot a Smith & Wesson model 1500 7mm win mag. I have no experience with either 45/70 or 35 whelen but I'm a odd caliber guy I carry a Glock 20c which is chambered 10mm auto if you didn't already know that. It's fairly expensive to shoot also. I also own .243, 30-06, 30-30, the 7mm win mag, and an Egyptian Hakeem 8mm. Which I don't hunt with it usually. I'm a big gun kind of guy, but here in Alabama not many big game animals to hunt.
     
  10. Mfuller1209

    Mfuller1209 New Member

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    Also a couple Ar-15s in 223, and FAL in 308.
     
  11. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    300 Win Mag or 300 Short Mag are both good calibers as well.

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  12. Mfuller1209

    Mfuller1209 New Member

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    Leaning more on the win mag than the Wsm. Looking at the Remington 700 SPS in 300win.
     
  13. yazul42

    yazul42 Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If you have a 7mm Remington magnum you should be set for about anything in North America except for the big bears, I personally prefer a heavier rifle for those critters, a 7x57 Mauser is an excellent deer rifle as well, I have taken a lot of game with both, but the mag is preferred, I have taken deer, hogs, elk, bison, and about anything else that I needed to take down. A 160 Nosler Partition shoots and penetrates very well, the 7x57 likes the 140 grain fodder, I also have a .300 Winchester mag, I just shoot the 7 mag more, hard to go wrong with either, have fun making your selection.
     
  14. Dallas53

    Dallas53 Well-Known Member

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    wanting something newer or different is okay, but all of the calibers you have listed are proven deer killers if one uses proper shot placement and the proper ammo.

    and the 7mm Rem. Mag., (it's a 7mm Rem. Mag, not a 7mm Win. Mag.) most assuredly will take deer down at distances beyond what most hunters are capable of anyways. many elk hunters in Colorado use the 7mm Rem. Mag. at 400-500 yards and drop them regularly. and unless you are way above the shooting skills of the average hunter, going to a 300 Win. Mag. isn't going to offer you any real advantage.
     
  15. harkersislandnc

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    7mm-08 or 25-06. I personally favor the .243 but you have one. I shot .30 cals and magnums for years and got sick of the recoil and the noise.
     
  16. Mfuller1209

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    Don't have any big advantage over average hunters. Except a few tactical shooting classes. An yes I'm corrected it is a Rem Mag I was thinking Win Mag for some reason sorry about that.
     
  17. Salvo

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    I'd go with the 35 Whelen, it's more versatile and has more reach when needed.

    Not to say that there's anything wrong with the 45-70. In the CVA Hunter though I believe the 35 Whelen is going to work out better.

    Don't forget to come back and post a few pictures of the new gun when you get a chance.
     
  18. Dallas53

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    reason i mention is, that is there are hunters and shooter who mistakenly think going to a larger caliber or a magnum caliber that can increase the distances they hunt at, only to find they are missing their shots or wounding deer. increasing size of caliber doesn't increase the skill level of the hunter in the least.

    unless you reload and do lots of shooting with larger calibers that have a lot of recoil and have practiced at increased distances that they are capable of, going to that larger caliber might increase your chances of missing or even just wounding a deer, which is something i find extremely unethical. right before or during deer season isn't the time to buy a new rifle, especially something much larger in caliber and having much more recoil. the time that is much better is after deer season and spending lots of time at the range, practicing and putting lots of rounds downrange to ensure that you are accurate with that rifle. also unless you reload or have the money to spend on factory ammo, you aren't going to be able to afford to do lots of shooting with the cartridges you have mentioned. you really need to factor that into making a responsible decision.
     
  19. kytowboater

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    270, 30-06,308 are all great for white tail. I've shot a deer with a .300 win mag. Won't do that again. .270 is what I hunt with.
     
  20. Chucktastic

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    I have personally used the .35 Whelen for Wisconsin whitetail deer, and it is a great, versatile cartridge. I use a Hogue stock and in my opinion this makes the recoil very manageable. I don't have any experience with the 45/70, but I have had nothing but good experience with the Whelen.