new to the hobby, have questions...

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by SeanW, Sep 29, 2010.

  1. SeanW

    SeanW New Member

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    Hey Guys,

    im looking to get into this hobby, not necsarily hunting, more so long range target shooting, but ive talked to some friends and they said the best thing to do would be get a .22 rifle and start with that from square one.

    So i got a Marlin Glenfield MOD .25 Bolt action .22 caliber rifle :)

    im very excited to get intot he hobby and i have some questions.


    my first question is, what would be a good first scope for this gun that i could also grow into later on down the road with larger caliber rifles? im looking to shoot up to 100 yards with this .22 rifle consistantly with ease. ive done a little research and i found this scope that i think might be a good scope, heres a link:

    Amazon.com: BARSKA 3-9x32 Plinker-22 Riflescope: Sports & Outdoors

    Second Question, does the scope come with everything i need to mount the scope?

    third question, how do i mount the scope to my gun, ive watched some videos on youtube about mounting scopes and there doesnt seem to be any mounting holes or rails or anything on my rifle.

    fourth question, how do i take the bolt out ive tried holding the trigger while pulling back on the bolt but that didnt work. i honestly dont think the bolt on this gun comes out...

    mmm i think thats all for now, thanks for any input guys!
     
  2. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Barska is not known for high quality. Also your problem with this scope is it is a rimfire scope the parallax is set at 50 yards. What the hell is parallax.

    Parallax is an apparent displacement or difference in the apparent position of an object viewed along two different lines of sight, and is measured by the angle or semi-angle of inclination between those two lines.[1][2] The term is derived from the Greek παράλλαξις (parallaxis), meaning "alteration". Nearby objects have a larger parallax than more distant objects when observed from different positions, so parallax can be used to determine distances.

    What all that means to you is at 100 yards your crosshairs will appear to move around on the target as you move your eye slightly. Kind of like they are floating in water and the target is standing still.

    That scope comes with a set of 3/8" dovetail rings that are made to fit rimfire rifles that have been grooved from the factory. If you look at the top of your gun and you see two small grooves milled in to it then YES that scope comes with everything you need to mount it. If it doesn't have them grooves then you are either going to have to have it drilled and tapped ($15 to $30 a hole) for scope mounting.

    Again if it doesn't have something like below you are going to have to have it drilled and tapped.
    [​IMG]

    Try opening the bolt and moving it to the rear all they way to the rear then pull trigger and it should fall right out.
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Well, the Glenfield is a good rifle- but it is a hunting grade rifle, not a target grade. At 100 yards, you may be getting 2-3" groups. With a target rifle (and match ammo, no wind, and a REAL lucky day) I have shot "one hole" groups at 100 yards. But it is a good rifle while you are learning- would stick to 50 yds for a start tho.

    If you do not have an owner's manual, open this and print it- http://www.marlinfirearms.com/pdfs/manuals/MFC_Bolt_Action_RF.pdf

    To remove bolt- clear rifle of any ammo and any detachable magazine. Open bolt, put safety in the FIRE position, Press trigger and hold. Draw bolt out to the rear. ALL bolts are removable.

    Scope? Mixed reviews, but not a bad scope to learn with. IF your scope comes as pictured in that ad, you have what you need to mount. Your rifle should have 2 grooves cut in the top of the receiver, about 3/8ths of an inch apart. The mount for a 22 scope hooks into those grooves. Heavy rifles need a different type of mount due to recoil, a .22 does not have that problem.

    It has been said that accuracy is expensive- so....... just how accurate do you want to be? :p From a rest, with decent ammo, your rifle will be able to hit an Oreo cookie at 50 yds on a regular basis. If you want to hit an M&M at 100 yds, get out yer checkbook.
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    G'morning Tango! Beat me to it!
     
  5. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    One of the few folks I know that can explain this complex subject so simply. Someday I may be as smart as c3 (highly doubtful though)...
     
  6. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I bought that same rifle for my baby brother on his 14th birthday. Two weeks later, I gave him a simple Weaver 4X scope and rings/mounts for Christmas. The scope cost as much as the rifle, maybe a little more. That combination is a tack driver still at 50 yards. That is a reasonable range for the cartridge. 100 yards is pushing the envelope for a .22

    Many rifle shooters believe that spending more money on optics than on the rifle is perfectly reasonable. Some think nothing of spending twice as much for the scope than the rifle it is mounted on.

    For $38 you will get $38 worth of quality. Look to spend about $100 and you will be much happier in the long run.
     
  7. SeanW

    SeanW New Member

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    hey alright! :D thanks for the replies guys!

    i tried what cpttango30 said about getting the bolt out, no dice... still wont come out :/

    and robocop10mm said 100 yards is pushing the envelope for a .22, thats exactly what im looking to do :cool: maybe not right off the bat, but once i can start getting 100 yard shots easily, i will look to upgrade to a larger caliber rifle.

    and about the scope, can someone point me in the right direction to a scope that wil do what i want. im not wanting to spend more than $50 on the scope.

    and i looked at the rifle more closely and there are grooves for mounting the scope :)
     
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  8. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Sean- when you pull and hold trigger- is the safety OFF ?
     
  9. SeanW

    SeanW New Member

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    yes, ive tried it in all kinds of combination possible...

    safety off the entire time
    safety on half the time
    turning saftey off half way through the motion
    safety on the whole time

    ive tried everythingi can think of to get the bolt out.
     
  10. Neophyte1

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    thoughts to your 5th question

    With .22 calibre's; and ammunition ''you'' will find: your particular firearm likes 'x' better than 'y'; or 'w' better than 'a'

    why you might ask! lots of factors; some being the bullet weight; some being the 'rifeling'; some being!

    when you start being profienct; you have learned many things, bullet weight to wind position; humidity; and the foods that you have eaten

    At Wal-Mart; you will find

    .22's ammo; bullet grain weights from ?32gr to 42gr? maybe more {7,000gr "grains to a pound}

    Keep records; keep very good records; from the day; what you ate 'or' didn't eat
    keep records of each bullet pack; ''lot number'', bullet weight; how often you clean your firearm; how hot your barrel becomes; use basic 5 shot groups; length of wait between shots; lenght of time between next group; IN OTHER words:) enjoy yourself with ''DETAILS". This apply's to all shooting; all firearms; in the endeavor of ''accuracy'', This partial can easily be added to all day; and we haven't began to disscuss the ''cleaning'' up the trigger; bolt; facing the barrel; barrel crown;

    .22's at 100yds on the proper day :) with wind; everything changes
    opinion; do all your shooting at 50yds max with iron sights; learn the 'art' in shooting with practice; practice; with your ''list'' of details; from and for each day.

    When you are not enjoying yourself :) load up and go home; don't force what becomes a chore or bore :)

    when you have time; follow up with your thoughts;
     
  11. FreedomFighter69

    FreedomFighter69 New Member

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    If the rifle is equipped with open sights learn with the open sights first before putting out money for a scope. You could shoot 50 yards accurately with a 22 rifle and open sights trust me. You can even pull off some 100 yarders once you get the hang of it. You really don't need a scope if your shooting under 100 yards. Some may disagree with this but there are many folks who don't use them and prefer to use open sights. It's more of a challenge, and once you learn with open sights, a scope will be a piece of cake. Try it open first and save the scope money for when you get that first 30-06 or 300 Win Mag !!
     
  12. bizy

    bizy New Member

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    Scope

    Get a cheap 4X scope at walmart. $9.99 for your .22...
    To Grow into? I have 1 scope, 1 rifle. Each rifle and scope are unique. I have a fault of over kill.. 9X cope on most rifles.. Many scopes, many choices..
    You can never have too much of anything..