New to forum and looking for rifle advice

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by hunter2009, May 20, 2011.

  1. hunter2009

    hunter2009 New Member

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    Hey guys like the title says im new to the fourm and im in need of a new rifle. It will mainly be used for whitetails and bear. I want it to be a all around rifle that i can go and hunt elk if i want to and when im done with college im going to start applying for antalopes. Im thinking that i want a 308 in either a tikka or a remington 700. if i go with the remington i want to stay away from the sps stocks. For glass im looking at zeiss conquest 3x9x40 or leupold vx II leaning more towards the zeiss. Tell me what you guys think and what some other options would be.
     
  2. jpattersonnh

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    It really depends on your budget. Why not look at a Mauser action?
    CZ-USA -> CZ 550 American

    You can't go wrong w/ a Howa either. Savage rifles shoot well, but never take the bolt apart in the field, there is this stupid little "ball" that everyone looses, then your rifle is a nice paper weight till you get a new one. I have only broken my Savage 110's bolt down 3 times in 15 years, at home!
    I would pass on the VXII and look elsewhere or move up. JMHO
     

  3. canebrake

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  4. therewolf

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    Welcome to FTF.

    A fine staff and fine members. (except, possibly, me.)

    Try a 30.06 before you buy, if you're hunting.

    Longer range, more punch, and a generally flatter trajectory than .308.

    Myyyy favorite...;)
     
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  5. hunter2009

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    Im pretty well sold on the 308. i have looked at the ballistic between 308 and 30-06. As of now im only looking to shoot tops 200 with it and the 30-06 is .1 inch better witch to me is not that big of deal and your also looking at 100 fps better at the muzzle witch yea people say speed kills but i have shot a 30-06 and didnt like the recoil have shot the 308 and was comfortable with that. so speed doesnt kill if your going to flinch.
     
  6. M14sRock

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    Sounds like you have done your homework. I agree with you about the .308 vs .30-06. Within the parameters of the .308 it does everything the .30-06 does.

    For actions, it comes down to personal taste. I prefer a controlled feed Mauser style action to any of the push feeds but many feel the other way.

    If you could find a nice old FN Commercial Mauser, you would be in good shape. Most of them had chrome lined barrels which are a plus when hunting in wet country.

    Older Remingtons are much smoother than the new ones.

    Howa is tough to beat.

    Savage is almost impossible to beat (for the price).

    Browning A Bolt/X Bolt is a work of art.

    CZ 550 is the current Mauser action standard.

    You really need to decide what features you like. One thing I prefer on a hunting rifle is a center tang mounted safety. Easy to engage/dis-engage with the thumb in shooting position. Savage has that feature, the old Ruger M77 has it, too.

    Other than that, try out several rifles to see which one fits you best. Look for one that you can mount with your eyes closed, and when you open your eyes it will be positioned so that the sights/scope are aligned for you.
     
  7. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Look in the range report thread. There is a very good report on the Savage Edge which is now the Axis.
     
  8. skullcrusher

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    Don't overlook the Marlin XL/XS7's. They are now offering many calibers in a wood stock as well. Great rifles for the money and you will have left over cash to buy plenty of quality ammo and upgrade the glass. Jmho.

    Oh, and welcome to the site. :)
     
  9. therewolf

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    Sorry, guys, you have to expect a round (30.06) with the range to

    reach out and hit something to have some recoil.

    It's a "the bad with the good" thing...

    That said, pretty much anything you can get in 30.06, you can get in

    the stepped down .308, these days. It's still 30 cal.
     
  10. Txhillbilly

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    Therewolf,It just sounds like your stuck on the 30/06.

    It is one of the greatest calibers ever invented,and has taken game all over the world.My first deer rifle was a 30/06 in a sporterized 1903A3,that I will never part with.But I haven't shot that rifle in many years.
    I never cared for a 308 until I actually bought one,now I have 2 and will probably buy more if I find some that I like.
    The 308 is a very versatile caliber,just as the 30/06,but it's cheaper to load,less recoil,and an almost unlimited supply of cheap surplus ammo.Yeah,there is still a lot of surplus ammo available for the 30/06,but most is corrosive,and very old.

    I would rather shoot my 300WM over my 30/06.I have just lost the urge for the 30/06,but I love shooting my 25/06,and it gets shot a bunch every month.
     
  11. wmille01

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    All I have to say is 300 win mag, put down anything...
     
  12. jpattersonnh

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    I'm not a .30-06 guy, but it does have one huge advantage over .308. Heavy bullets!! When you load it up w/ 180gr+ bullets it really starts to shine. If you call .30-06 and 8x57 equals, I find w/ 175gr and up bullets my 8x57's really shine. Reloading w/ stick powder reduces recoil over ball powder.
    OP if the .30-06 you tried had light bullets, say 150gr it was most likely loaded w/ ball powder that burns fast and produces pressure fast. A stick powder would have slowed the pressure curve and made it more of a push then a punch. .308 is a great overall round. It does many things very well. In this day of Mono metal and partition bullets it can do things with lighter bullets could not do well before. One of the few U.S. calibers I own. Have fun little brother, and take your time.
     
  13. jpattersonnh

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    RECOIL! I tried a .300WM and a 7mm Rem Mag, I got the 7mm, because the .300 was excessive at the time. Even a .375H&H I tried had less felt.
    If I were to take a punch from a rifle, It would be a 9.3x62 Mauser action. Pretty much anything hit w/ a 286gr partition is not getting up. Makes the .300WM seem like childs play w/ the same felt recoil. .300wm is not allowed for dangerous game in Africa, the 9.3x62 is, hmmmmmm:rolleyes:
    This is a 9.3x57, 1943 Husqvarna M46a. It may not have the range of a .300wm, but it deals more hurt at effective range.
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  14. hunter2009

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    Was just looking in my browning book and i saw the x-bolt stainless stalker and man what a sharp looking gun. just looking for some feed back as im still not positive about the gun i want to get but i am positive about the caliber witch will be a 308. and if anyone here has one here and has pics i would love to see them.
     
  15. hunter2009

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    I should also add that i do work at gander mtn so the jump in cost is not a huge difference to me
     
  16. therewolf

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    Yes, I do like 30.06. But for me, recoil isn't that much of an issue.
     
  17. big shrek

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    It will be when ya get older ;)

    Investing in a good recoil system early saves you a lot of grief as you get older.
    When it comes to recoil pads, get the best you can afford to put on.

    I had no idea that my body would start to deteriorate so quickly after I hit 40...
    they ain't kidding when they say "Over the Hill", because you bloody well feel great one day,
    then its like going down a steep hill the next...everything starts falling apart...one at a time.
     
  18. Sniper03

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    Hunter,

    I believe from what you said that you would probably be better to choose the 308. If for no other reason than your psychological reasons and regarding the recoil issue. I have shot a many a deer with the 308 in the 200 yard range. It like other calibers is the correct choice of the ammunition to shoot the game you are hunting. I have a 308 a 30-06 and my favorite the Remington 700 CDL in 7 MM Mag. Which I have hunted everything with it. And it is one flat shooting round. Unfortunately I do not think it would be at all the best selection for you due to the recoil issue that you are concerned with. And I understand your position. As the others have stated it depends on your billfold regarding the rifle and the scope. Obviously Zeiss makes magnificent scopes. Sako is probably the cadillac followed by my favorite the Remington 700 BDL and CDLs. And the Howa,TIKA and others are fine quality rifles and have great accuracy. I looked at one of the new Mossberg Rifles at the gun show this weekend and I must say they also did not look bad either! And the price was very decent. Good luck with your selection.

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  19. humberto357

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    New rifle.

    Remington 700 or winchester model 70 in 7mm caliber would be a good choice.
     
  20. goretro77

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    Remington 700 would be my suggestion.
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    The platform is very versatile. I settled on the .308 because it performs well, reasonably flat trajectory so its easy to predict, easy to find and makes a bad shot like me look good. :D