New rifle build and the last thing I need is sights or optics HELP!

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by DropZone889, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. DropZone889

    DropZone889 New Member

    86
    0
    0
    Bellow is a pic of my 99% complete 16" carbine and I looking for either Iron sights or optics , I'm using this for HD, Range, for SHTF GUN, or a tool for when boys start coming around for my daughter lol ( she's 8 but times flying by!)
    I really like the Troy flip up iron sights but a little to pricey $200+ or the Magpul MBUS gen2 but I don't think I can mount the front on the gas block ( please correct me if I'm wrong cause I would like to go that way ) the new magpul MBUS Pros are nice all metal (ok to mount on gas block)but they are$200 or are there any other brands that can mount on gas block for $100 or less for set?
    Or should I forget the sights and get an optic? What's a decent priced optic of quality gonna cost and what brand?

    Thanks in advance for all your help!
     

    Attached Files:

  2. DropZone889

    DropZone889 New Member

    86
    0
    0
    PS: Sorry for the typo in the heading, I can't figure how to edit the heeding while using their APP
     

  3. sandog

    sandog Member

    601
    8
    18
    Always good to have a set of irons on the rifle, zero them, learn to shoot well with them, then fold them down and they're there when you need them if you primarily run an optic ( hence the term Back Up Iron Sights). I have liked Troy sights, the Magpul polymer sights are light and less expensive. I have seen the Magpuls for $45 or so (Brownell's), Yesterday I saw a Magpul rear at at local sports store for $75. Yikes! So shop around.
    For optics, If your eyes are still good, the many red dots and holographic sights are quick and will provide "minute of man" out to 300 yards or so. Beyond that, the dot tends to cover up much of the target. I have used EO-Techs, but now find I like a little magnification for longer shots. A low powered scope, such as a 1-4x or 1-5x, has the advantage of target identification at longer range, and many have a range finding or BDC reticle that will help you get close to the range and compensate for bullet drop. And cranked down to the lowest power of 1x or 1.5x are still pretty fast up close, especially when they have a lighted center dot to aid in picking up the reticle. I have used a 4x Acog that had a micro red dot mounted on it, best of both worlds but pricey at $1500 plus. I have been using a Leupold Mark AR 1.5-4x with the green FireDot SPR reticle. Scope is very clear , light at 9.6 oz. and cost under $400. Tics marks on the reticle are calibrated for 62 gr. M855 loads. At 4x , I can shoot decent groups out to 400 and 500 meters, and the tic marks are very close, within a few inches with my 62 gr. NATO loads. The elevation turret is marked for 55 gr. XM193, but for $30, Leupold's custom shop will make a turret calibrated for any bullet you want. There are other good choices from Vortex, Burris, Weaver and many other companies.
     
  4. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

    3,496
    0
    0
    I agree, get irons and learn how to shoot them. Get your fundamentals down.

    Then go out and get an optic!
     
  5. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

    3,496
    0
    0
    Btw magpul has iron sights now, and there are numerous others that you can look into like Daniel defense, YHM, Matech, etc.
     
  6. BigBizz87

    BigBizz87 New Member

    451
    0
    0
    I'm currently running Troy fixed sights with there Di-Optic rear, with no optic and have really enjoyed useing just the irons got them sighted for 25yds which is damn near perfect for CQB (imo) and any range I can go to for range time.

    I do have a Vortex Strikefire red/green dot works great out to like 200yds and only cost about $175ish.

    But it has been in its box on a shelf for about a year now only because I like my irons so much.
     
  7. brianramirez

    brianramirez New Member

    32
    0
    0
    What about some free floating hand guards ??? Then get u some sights
     
  8. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

    6,624
    2
    0
    I got a set of no name sights from midway. They are far better than the polymer sights that came with the DPMS kit. I paid $75 for them several years ago. I wouldn't care about a brand name. I would be more concerned with getting sights made of the material I wanted with the features I wanted. If you check your favorite vendors often you should find decent sights for a fair price. Sights are one thing vendors really mark down once they decide not to carry them any longer.
     
  9. DropZone889

    DropZone889 New Member

    86
    0
    0
    Thanks guys for all the 411 on sights and optics, so what's the consensus on the Magpul MUBUS poly sights on the gas block melting? Is it pretty safe to assume that it's not a good idea?
     
  10. sandog

    sandog Member

    601
    8
    18
    Polymer is pretty tough, not sure when it would melt but it's got to be like 300 or 400 degrees. I guess if you are going to use your AR as an "impromtu SAW" then a metal sight would be better. I haven't had a problem with mine, but I don't get my barrel and gas block glowing, either.
     
  11. chloeshooter

    chloeshooter New Member

    2,565
    0
    0
    I went with the Troy flip-ups. I bought some other stuff so the dealer came down some and I was at about $200 for the set. Make sure you purchase the front sight elevation tool ($9). 'back-up sights' is kind of a loose term here, these are super solid. I lined these up using my reflex sight and they are dead-on after that.

    A resounding 'no' for plastic sights on the gas block is what I have heard, makes sense too - barrel and gas block get super hot when doing a lot of shooting
     

    Attached Files:

  12. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

    2,706
    1
    0
    If you hand me your rifle and tell me to "make it mine"...

    #1- I'm adding Magpul MBUS flip front/rear. Looking at your rifle, I see no reason why this wouldn't work. A F/R set can be found (even in FG to match) for like $80-95 on EBay.

    #2- Get a red dot sight. Best options?
      • $120-160: Vortex Strikefire
      • $150-200: Vortex Sparc
      • $180-250: Lucid HD7 (good, but a little heavy)
      • $400+: Aimpoint


    BTW- In my experience, there's nothing in the $250-400 price range that is clearly better than the Vortex/Lucid options.
     
  13. chloeshooter

    chloeshooter New Member

    2,565
    0
    0
    What does the price jump up to the Aimpoint get you? More accurate, more durable, both?
     
  14. JonM

    JonM Moderator

    20,110
    19
    38
    Durability brighter dot reallllllllly long stupid long battery life common used batteries.

    I've got a vortex strikefire and sparc along with an aimpoint the wife uses.

    During very bright days you can barely see the vortex dot on high. We have never had to set the aimpoint past medium.

    Battteries for the vortex's aren't easy to find sometimes and you can't leave them on without draining the batteries in a few weeks.

    Durability is good on the lower end stuff but they can't take the beating an aimpoint can.

    I like the vortex stuff but they are more for range toys and plinking. For hd or shtf aimpoint no question. The wifes aimpoint is 3 years old and still on the same battery it shipped with. Its never been turned off. Still on everyday all day
     
  15. sandog

    sandog Member

    601
    8
    18
    I read good reviews on the Lucid earlier this year and ordered one from Optics Planet. My thinking was I would use it temporarily on my 5.56mm upper, then when I could afford something better for the 5.56, the Lucid would go on my CMMG .22 lr. upper. I kept the Lucid for about a week before sending it back. I didn't like seeing the diode housing on the side of the sight's field of view, and couldn't see the dot outside, unless it was turned up to max, then it got all fuzzy and blurry.. If I was to never go outside the house with it, the brightness was o.k.
     
  16. Crazycastor

    Crazycastor New Member

    481
    0
    0
    If the red dot is all fuzzy when you turn up the power its probably your eyes. I have to wear my glasses when using my Lucid which is fine by me because I'm near sighted. But I love my Lucid red dot and I live out in the desert where its really bright outside.
     
  17. sandog

    sandog Member

    601
    8
    18
    As we get older our deteriorating eyesight sight sure can cause problems. To use iron sights anymore I have to put on my reading glasses to see the sights sharply, but then the target is fuzzy. I don't have a problem with other scopes, but most scopes have a diopter adjustment in the eyepiece that I can crank out to get the reticle sharp. I had no problem either with EO-Techs and a 4x ACOG, which had no focus adjustment.
     
  18. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

    2,706
    1
    0
    The point to take from this is that 'ideal for me' may not be the same as 'great for you'. In many cases, a great piece of equipment is a great piece of equipment...period. This can apply to BCGs, barrels, etc. But furniture and optics are a very personal choice, much like a carry pistol. Find what works for you.

    I really like Vortex and Aimpoint. I dislike EoTech (they're not terrible, just don't measure up to my preferences given the cost), even though I own one...somewhat regrettably. Generally I'll recommend Aimpoint over EoTech every time, but I'm sure there are some who have sound personal reasons to disagree. Trijicon is probably great, but a little beyond my means and needs.

    This board can often help to point you in the right general direction. But much of the AR journey ends up being trial and error.
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2013
  19. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

    2,706
    1
    0
    I'll preface this by stating that I might have younger eyes than JonM, and he probably has more AR experience/knowledge/skill than I do; so take this for whatever you decide it's worth...

     
  20. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

    4,799
    2
    0
    Another reason I like my Lucid , uses common one common AAA battery .Which also shuts its self off in 4 hours . I will not buy a Eotech , for that kind of money it should have a lifetime warranty not a 2 year warranty . Even the cheaper stuff like the Lucid and Vortex come with a no questions asked lifetime warranty . The people at both places have great customer service

    Straight from their site

    EOTech Limited Warranty

    All EOTech products are created with pride in the USA. More importantly, they are manufactured with our customer's satisfaction in mind. EOTech warrants every product to be free from defects in materials and workmanship for a period of 2 years from the original date of purchase.