New Posts Zanders undercutting FFL's with retail websites.

Discussion in 'NFA/Class 3 & FFL Discussion' started by rubble, Oct 29, 2009.

  1. rubble

    rubble New Member

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    I could be wrong but it looks like Zanders is trying to go retail.

    Two web sites are identical to Zanders.

    The Outdoor Connections
    Huntingstuff

    A WHOIS search revealed that all three web sites
    are hosted by the same folks:

    Whois Record

    Registrant Search:
    "Creative Business Services, In" owns about 50 other domains
    Email Search:
    is associated with about 51 domains
    Registrar History:
    1 registrar
    NS History:
    3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
    IP History:
    3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
    Whois History:
    11 records have been archived since 2008-01-14 .
    Reverse IP:
    52 other sites hosted on this server.
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    Registrant:
    Creative Business Services, In
    240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
    Manchester, MO 63021
    US
    636-227-5190

    Administrative Contact:
    Fugi, Roscoe
    240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
    Manchester, MO 63021
    US
    636-227-5190

    Technical Contact:
    Fugi, Roscoe
    240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
    Manchester, MO 63021
    US
    636-227-5190

    Record last updated 09-08-2008 02:16:00 PM
    Record expires on 09-06-2010
    Record created on 09-06-2007

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NSL.C-B-S-I.NET 216.63.57.101
    NS2.C-B-S-I.NET 66.93.192.211






     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Perhaps- but if you are buying a firearm, it will still need to go thru a FFL. Checked their price on the Ruger Mk III I just bought, and they are $15 higher than I paid at local dealer- without the shipping and FFL fee I would pay to buy from them.
     

  3. Highpower

    Highpower New Member

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    OK, so they are both using the same web designer. So what?

    c3: Which flavor MK III did you get? And what do you think of it?
     
  4. rubble

    rubble New Member

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    The websites don't use the same designer, they are the same website.

    As an FFL, it is disconcerting that your wholesaler is making it virtually impossible to sell firearms.
     
  5. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    6" blued pencil barrel, fixed sights. Just getting it broken in- only about 300 rds so far, shoots great, much better mag release than my old Ruger Standard. digests any 22 LR I have put in it.

    As far as wholesaler going to direct retail, yes, that would be a problem- but for firearms, customer will still need a FFL- Some folks refuse to do transfers- others charge an arm and a leg- and some smart folks charge a reasonable price for a transfer- and also sell them ammo, scope, case, cleaning supplies, etc- and probably their next gun.

    I have an 03 FFL, but still need an 01 for newer guns. Some folk in this area charge $100, some charge $20.
     
  6. rubble

    rubble New Member

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    Yes, I understand. Most of my business are $20 transfers.

    I just think its a crappy thing to do. A business is either a wholesaler or a retailer, not both.
     
  7. Bigcat_hunter

    Bigcat_hunter New Member

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    Yep, they are the same sites with the same inventory at least with the handguns that I checked. They are all about $40.00 over wholesale. Your wholesaler is you competitor? Not sure what to think of this.
     
  8. RCHanlin

    RCHanlin New Member

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    Don't see prices

    Do youi have to have your license on file with them to see prices on the website you linked rubble?
     
  9. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I've never even heard of them. Where did they get started?
     
  10. ref441

    ref441 New Member

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    I usually ask $10-$25 for transfers, depending upon how much of the transaction the Buyer wants me to do...like bidding on an Internet auction in his behalf.

    Those who ask $75-$100 for a transfer are usually trying to punish the Buyer for not buying from them. Vote with your feet...never go back.
     
  11. kygunguy

    kygunguy New Member

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    That sucks. It's hard enough with what some "dealers" on the net charge. If I was a customer of a wholesaler that decided to sell retail, I would find a different supplier.
     
  12. MrM4

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    :mad:I never got hooked up with them on account of doing the 07FFL , not having a true store front didnt set well with them because we have just the machine shop end of it.
     
  13. TheOldMan

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    I've often wondered why FFL's even charge to do transfers. After all, it's just paperwork. Like it was said earlier, customer comes in gets a free transfer in your shop, more than likely they'll buy something with the money they saved.