New Mini, please help!!

Discussion in 'Mini-14 Forum' started by CardiacColt68, Dec 31, 2013.

  1. CardiacColt68

    CardiacColt68 New Member

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    I bought my first Mini today, and haven't even shot it yet. BUT, I am going to order a couple scopes for other rifles, and would like to order something for the Mini as well. This will be a short range, 200 yard and in rifle for me. Mostly range use at 100 yards, but an occasional hog hunt could happen also. Based on my quick internet research either a fixed magnification scout scope or possibly a 1x4 or 1x5 should suffice. Any experienced opinions on scout vs traditional scopes on the Mini? Rail and mount opinions would help too. Don't be shy, and fire away. This rookie awaits the facts and abuse. Thanks.

    BTW, I also will read the manual, and have 500 rounds of Federal ammo to take to the range this weekend.
     
  2. Steel_Talon

    Steel_Talon New Member

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    I prefer a fixed 4power or 6 power scope on a mini.
     

  3. sandog

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    I like mounting a scope in the forward scout position for many reasons, but a good 1-4x or 1-5x variable would serve you well mounted over the action, and mounting there would give you a lot more choices in optics. I would not go over a 2-7x variable, more power than 2-7x isn't needed, and anything larger looks goofy and ruins the balance and feel of such a handy rifle like the Mini. The Redfield Revolution 2-7x is compact and light, good glass, and made in Oregon at the Leupold factory. With the available Accurange reticle, you can sight the crosshair intersection for 100 yards, and use the circle and dot down below for longer range hold overs. I have a Leupold 1.5-4x Mark Ar with the green Fire Dot lighted dot on my Ar. These are made for .223's, as the reticle (the SPR anyway) has hash marks for holdover with the 62 grain green tip ammo out to 800 yards. The elevation turret is calibrated for 55 grain ammo, just takes a couple seconds longer to look at the turret and click it to the range you want. I can't imagine a better optic for dim light hunting for animals such as hogs. I lived in Texas until I went into the army, and shooting at hogs, especially at night is a close range affair, rare are the long shots. With a fixed 4x or 6x, you are gonna have a hard time finding a hog up close, but with your scope set on 1.5x, much easier. And the lighted dot is just icing on the cake. You don't even need to turn the dot on for most shooting, but when the light is dim or you are shooting with brush as a background, that dot makes it very easy to pick up the center of the cross hair. Nikon also makes a scope that is designedfor a .223, the P-223, but no lighted dot and no variable smaller than 3-9x. They do have a fixed 3x carbine model. Here's a review I did of the Leupold Mark AR on Ruger forum.net:
    http://rugerforum.net/optics/87184-leupold-mark-ar-1-5-4x-scope-review.html
     
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  4. sandog

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    Here's a pic of the Redfield 2-7x on my CZ .22, the Leupold Mark AR on my AR, and the Nikon "Scout mount" 2.5-8x w/ BDC on the Mini.
     

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  5. 1stmini

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    bought the weaver see through mounts for mine so I can still use the iron sights , have not had a chance to shoot it yet , to cold here in Mi
     

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  6. p35bhp55

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    What kind of mini did you buy and what do you want it configured as? Will it be a sporter or an alternative to an M forgery? Is it an older pencil barrel or the new taper...Or a target model? There is a big aftermarket and you could go so many ways. One thing I will say is if you are going to mount optics in the factory "dovetails" figure out the max height you will need and get Warne QD rings. I have a 3x9x40 in the standard height model if that helps. The scope pretty much has to come off to get the bolt out and the Warnes make this easy.
     
  7. CardiacColt68

    CardiacColt68 New Member

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    It's a new Mini with the tapered 16 1/2 barrel. It'l be a sporter used for the range, hogs and home defense. So it seems to me that a small scope or even a red dot may be the way to go. I don't want to have a big ole scope on a little carbine.
     
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    CardiacColt68 New Member

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    That looks like a nice size scope and set up. What scope and mounts did you use? Is it just on the pre tapped holes on the action?
     
  10. JTJ

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    Amega and Ultimak make very good front rails that replace the handguard. You dont need moe than 2x or 2.5x on a scout scope. Nikon has a nice 2x eer for about $200.
     
  11. stag556

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    20130403_120417.jpg Here's a picture of my Leupold VX6 1-6x24 CDS Riflescope w/ FireDot Illuminated Reticle on my AR-15 and a ADM scope mount. Just another of the many options for ya.
     
  12. CardiacColt68

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    If I can talk myself into it I am thinking of spending the money, and getting something illuminated. Leupold makes some 1.5 x 4 or so that might work. But I've got two other scope set ups to buy so the grand total in my head for scopes, rings, mounts and rails is getting a little scary.
     
  13. JTJ

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    http://swfa.com/Bushnell-1-4x24-Trophy-XLT-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P48386.aspx
    I have one of these on my AR. If you want to go over the receiver, Ruger has rings designed for their rifles. The rings attach directly to built in bases on the receiver. This scope requires 30 mm rings. The scope will have to come off for field stripping if you mount it on the receiver. Use red locktite on screws on one side of the rings where it attaches to the receiver. Use blue on the other so it can be removed. The red side will lock your zero. If you register your rifle with Ruger they will give you 20% off on accessories like rings. Shop the price on the scope.
    The stock on the Mini was designed for use with iron sights. It has too much drop for a proper cheek weld with the scope mounted over the receiver. You may want to pad the stock or put on a cheek rest for the best handling and accuracy. You should not have to hunt for the sights when the rifle comes up. You should be able to close your eyes and mount the rifle to your shoulder. When you open your eyes, you should be looking at the reticle centered in the scope.
     
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  14. p35bhp55

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    That's an old Leupold Mark AR 1.5x4, it is now listed as a VX-2 1x4 I think. Paid 299 for it at SWFA and they are selling the VX-2 for that now. I am not familiar with the newest Minis but it sounds like they come with a rail now? If so can the bolt be removed with the rail on? If not the Warne QDs made for the Ruger would be my pick, they are easy on and off and return to zero well. I've tried a number of things with the factory rings and will screw with them no more. The Warnes are in that pic.
     
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  16. hawkguy

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    bit late on this one, but the previouly mentioned redfield rev. 2-7 is what i settled on. great scope, compact, american made, lifetime warranty, good price......it just seems like one of those "perfect fits" for the mini imo.

    if i didn't go that route, i'd put a nice 1-4 on a mini.

    have fun and do your research! :)
     
  17. CardiacColt68

    CardiacColt68 New Member

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    I was thinking 1x4 on my Mini and a 2x7 on my Ruger Scout. I plan on buying the best glass I can afford, and only doing this once every 20 years or so, so plenty of research is in order. In NC most hog or deer hunting is short range, and the local range only has 100 yard rifle lanes so I don't want to buy a huge, honking scope that is total overkill.
     
  18. hawkguy

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    i recently went through the optics dilemma with my AR. i had settled on the redfield w/QD rings for my mini several years ago.

    i like the idea of 1-4 optics, some don't. i got a nikon m-223 (point blank reticle) 1-4 for my AR and i am very very happy with it so far (even got a good sale! :D). i think this scope lends itself to quick shots made on targets up close and up to 200 yards away. another good option is the nikon african monarch with the german reticle.

    i really liked the leupold 1.5-4 with the illumination, but for the price.....(400)...i felt i could not overlook that it wasn't a true 1X.....i really wanted as true to a 1X as i could get to sub this as irons when the scope is on the gun. scoped i had no co-witness, so i wanted to have a true 1X myself....your wants/needs may be different.

    i wanted a compact scope that could act as substitute irons and get me some magnification. a compromise between quick shots and the ability to reach out a bit.

    here were my top contenders, i ended up with the nikon m-223 (the best in MY price range imo, i got it for $220 on sale. my only gripe is is a little bit (1") longer than i wanted it to be.):

    weaver 1-3:

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/18...es-rifle-scope-1-3x-20mm-dual-x-reticle-matte

    nikon 1-4 m 223

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/786479/nikon-m-223-rifle-scope-1-4x-20mm-point-blank-reticle-matte

    leupold 1.5-4 illuminated

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/97...s-green-illuminated-firedot-spr-reticle-matte

    another leupold i found interesting:

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/330994/leupold-vx-hog-rifle-scope-1-4x-20mm-pig-plex-reticle-matte

    the redfield revolution 2-7 (this is what sits on my mini, great imo for the $):

    http://swfa.com/Redfield-2-7x33-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44466.aspx

    hope helps a bit....good luck.....there is so dang much out there.....hope you find what really works for you. my suggestion is that if there is anywhere you can go and look through a half dozen scopes you think you might want, it can really eliminate many you think you might have wanted as well as surprise you with some you did not consider.....remember also, if you don't like what you bought....return it!

    again, good luck and be patient. :)
     
  19. CardiacColt68

    CardiacColt68 New Member

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    Wow, thanks for all that. I am kind of leaning toward a Leupold for the USA factor and the warranty. I need to get one for my 308 also, so hopefully I can haggle a little bit. PLUS I need a scope for my 22 also. This is all gonna hurt.
     
  20. hawkguy

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    you're welcome, but i'm no expert so please take any advice as a novice opinion. :p

    and remember, redfield (at least the revolution) is made in USA by leupold in the same factory and has the same warranty. basically redfield = a leupold that costs less......:). just FYI.

    i only wish there was a 1-4 redfield.....unfortunately, not one that i am aware of. :confused: imo, the redfield revolution is among the best quality for the money. and the redfiled's generally cost 40-60 less than the comparable leupold.....and they are the same scope essentially.