new member /new rifle /question

Discussion in 'Mini-14 Forum' started by theotherDWS, May 17, 2013.

  1. theotherDWS

    theotherDWS New Member

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    I'm new to the Mini-14 world, have a whole bunch of other ruger rifles (mostly single shots) but got a chance this evening to pick up a mini at a great price with 3 of the ruger 20 round mags plus a couple of the short standard ones. And its something I always wanted--just because. Its a 196 model. I'm not up to speed on the nomenclature but I recognize that it has a fixed blade front and a mil style real that are a lot like the Garand I inherited from my ww2 vet father-in-law. I don't see a provision for a top mounted scope so I'm assuming it'll need a side mounted base system like the one Dad put on the Garand

    I'm not into black/tactical stuff. I'm not excessively negative about them, its just not my style.

    I am interested in putting a scope on it (aging eyes) and in finding a good quality walnut sporting stock. I'd appreciate info on scope mounting systems and potential sources for a good sporting rifle stock

    I'll be reading and re-reading the tuning and tech stickies again and since I really like accurate rifles probably doing other tune up stuff to it as well. I shoot a lot of competition with antique single shots, both offhand and bench so I really appreciate a good crisp trigger and a well fitting stock. I'll also be interested in reloading for accuracy.

    your help is appreciated
     
  2. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    Can't help with your Ruger but congrats on the purchase and welcome aboard!
     

  3. tri70

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  5. bwraven

    bwraven New Member

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    I either use scout mounts on my Mini-14's (as opposed to Ranch Rifles), or just use irons (though I have upgraded to the Tech Sights.)


    The Ranch Rifles use an ejector in the bolt-stop assembly that ejects the spent casings to the side, thus clearing a scope.

    The Mini-14 uses an ejector in the bolt that ejects the spent casings upwards, which will jmpact a scope/mount that is mounted over the bolt. Mini-14's aren't really designed for scope mounting. But the scout mounts bypass this issue by mounting the scope (or red dot) forward. The scout mounts also improve accuracy by stiffening the barrel.

    Here is one of my Ranch Rifles with an Amega Ranges scout mount and an Ultradot red dot in Warne QD rings.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. jbardellini

    jbardellini New Member

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    Welcome to the forum..
     
  7. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    Welcome!
    I have a ranch so I used the included Ruger rings. Then I made my own barrel stiffener and what an improvement! I would highly recommend something like a Mo-rod. I also like wood and though I would rather have walnut, I will keep the original wood as I don't want to take the chance of messing up the accuracy I now have.
     
  8. hawkguy

    hawkguy Well-Known Member

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    welcome!

    not walnut, but....

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/86...mini-14-stainless-and-blued-wood-stock-models

    on 196...a strut will do WONDERS for you! go with accu-strut, the man who first marketed and tested the strut.

    http://www.accu-strut.com/pages/tests_Ia.htm

    masterp's stickies have more knowledge than i could offer! :)

    can't help you on the mount, i have a ranch model myself. i would suggest warne QD rings.

    http://warnescopemounts.com/product/maxima-quick-detach-rings/

    hopefully, i helped you a bit. enjoy the mini...they are one bad a$$ rifle imo.
     
  9. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    I also stippled the buttplate on mine. Stays in one place on your shoulder now.
     
  10. mseric

    mseric New Member

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    Your 196 model was manufactured beginning in 2000. This model is a Ranch and has the integrated Dove Tail grooves on the top of the receiver to accept Ruger rings and a scope. No need to do a side mount on a 196 model.

    Page 31.

    https://ruger-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/_manuals/mini14-580.pdf
     
  11. tri70

    tri70 New Member

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    You have to look and see if your rifle says ranch stamped on the back of the receiver. They made a standard model with no scope mounts on the receiver as well as the ranch model with mounts. I have a standard 196 and use a B-Square side mount.
     
  12. bwraven

    bwraven New Member

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    Not necessarily. The 196 series includes both Mini-14's and Ranch Rifles. He described the rear sight as being similar to a Garand, instead of a folding leaf, so it's sounds like he has a Mini-14.


    180 Series Mini-14
    Beginning
    Serial Nbr
    180-00001--1974--1 in 10
    180-05101--1975--1 in 10
    180-28282--1976--1 in 10
    180-59251--1977--1 in 10

    Mini-14
    Thin barrel, ejector is in the bolt, no scope ring scallops cast into the receiver.
    Beginning
    Serial Nbr
    181-07488--1978--1 in 10
    181-48351--1979--1 in 10
    181-84879--1980--1 in 10
    182-45601--1981--1 in 10
    183-03581--1982--1 in 10
    183-40455--1983--1 in 10
    184-17175--1984--1 in 10
    184-26063--1985--1 in 10
    184-95448--1986--1 in 10 and 1 in 7
    185-14140--1987--1 in 7
    185-50455--1988--1 in 7
    185-56556--1989--1 in 7
    185-81009--1990--1 in 7
    186-05029--1991--1 in 7
    186-18250--1992--1 in 7
    186-20065--1993--1 in 7
    186-31116--1994--1 in 7
    186-42502--1995--1 in 7
    186-58133--1996--1 in 7
    186-66855--1997--1 in 7 and 1 in 9
    186-81445--1998--1 in 9
    186-87432--1999--1 in 9
    *196-06325-2000--1 in 9
    *196-44553-2001--1 in 9
    *196-80982-2002--1 in 9
    *196-99207-2003--1 in 9
    *197-12180-2004--1 in 9
    * Mini-14 serial numbers rollmarked with Mini-14 Ranch Rifles beginning in 2000


    Ranch Rifle
    Thin barrel, ejector in the bolt stop assembly, scope ring scallops cast into the receiver, buffer system using the recoil spring assembly.
    Beginning
    Serial Nbr
    187-00001--1982--1 in 10
    187-02611--1983--1 in 10
    187-13218--1984--1 in 10
    187-27226--1985--1 in 10
    187-50919--1986--1 in 10 and 1 in 7
    187-59308--1987--1 in 7
    187-70033--1988--1 in 7
    187-84127--1989--1 in 7
    188-01157--1990--1 in 7
    188-30499--1991--1 in 7
    188-50902--1992--1 in 7
    188-66901--1993--1 in 7
    188-71086--1994--1 in 7
    188-85981--1995--1 in 7
    195-06037--1996--1 in 7
    195-27761--1997--1 in 7 and 1 in 9
    195-44221--1998--1 in 9
    195-63542--1999--1 in 9
    196-06325--2000--1 in 9
    196-44553--2001--1 in 9
    196-80982--2002--1 in 9
    196-99207--2003--1 in 9
    197-12180--2004--1 in 9


    New Mini-14 Ranch Rifle
    580 Ranch Rifle (early version): Thin barrel, ejector in the bolt stop assembly, scope ring scallops cast into the receiver, buffer sytem using the recoil spring assembly, new tooling resulting in a slightly different look to the receiver (more rounded edges, etc.)
    580 Ranch Rifle (later version)-581: Thicker flanged barrel, ejector in the bolt stop assembly, scope ring scallops cast into the receiver, buffer system using the recoil spring assembly, new tooling resulting in a slightly different look to the receiver (more rounded edges, etc.)
    The most recent 582 series Ranch Rifles have the receiver drilled and tapped for a proprietary scope rail.
    Beginning
    Serial Nbr
    580-00001--2005--1 in 9
    580-15286--2006--1 in 9
    580-32382--2007--1 in 9
    580-50951--2008--1 in 9
    * 580-76276
    and 581-00000--2009--1 in 9
    * 581-48753--2010--1 in 9
    * 581-71056--2011--1 in 9
    * 581-95645--2012--1 in 9
    * 582-29041--2013--1 in 9
    * New Mini-14 Ranch Rifles rollmarked with Mini Thirty Rifles beginning in 2009.


    Mini-30
    Beginning
    Serial Nbr
    186-00501--1986--1 in 10
    189-00001--1987--1 in 10
    189-15143--1988--1 in 10
    189-17652--1989--1 in 10
    189-25005--1990--1 in 10
    189-38805--1991--1 in 10
    189-51041--1992--1 in 10
    189-52528--1993--1 in 10
    189-59348--1994--1 in 10
    189-65480--1995--1 in 10
    189-75697--1996--1 in 10
    189-82126--1997--1 in 10
    189-84971--1998--1 in 10
    189-89313--1999--1 in 10
    189-96162--2000--1 in 10
    *196-06325-2001--1 in 10
    *196-44553-2002--1 in 10
    *196-99207-2003--1 in 10
    *197-12180-2004--1 in 10
    * Mini Thirty serial numbers rollmarked with Mini-14 Ranch Rifles beginning in 2001


    New Mini-30
    Beginning
    Serial Nbr
    581-01002--2006--1 in 10
    581-05892--2007--1 in 10
    581-06747--2008--1 in 10
    581-11910--2009--1 in 10
    581-48753--2010--1 in 10
    581-71056--2011--1 in 10
    581-95645--2012--1 in 10
     
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  13. theotherDWS

    theotherDWS New Member

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    it says nothing about Ranch rifle, number is 196-29xxx ugly birch slabsided stock and black plastic upper hand guard. stock is too short for comfortable shooting benched it @200 yds w/irons and the cheap Herter's steel case ammo. I was surprised that after 5 familiarization shots all shots in the next 10 would have been on torso or head. trigger is heavy and rough/creepy. looks like its got the makings of a good rifle to me.

    Best/cheapest source for the BSquare mount? how would you mount a LER "scout style" scope rail on one?

    going to start checking the hand load situation soon too. will the faster twist work better with the 62/4 gr bullets than the 50's?
     
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  14. tri70

    tri70 New Member

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    You will have to shop around for the best price on the B-Sqare but Brownell's is decent. The scout style mounts are easy to mount, they take the place of the hand guard and upper half of the gas block.

    You will have to test the loads and bullet weights to see which shoots best out of your gun.