New info on Breonna Taylor case

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Ghost1958, Aug 26, 2020.

  1. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    It's not brain surgery.
    Ban no knock warrants nationwide.
    Abandon the stupid " drug war" and abolish half the 4th amendment violating laws that were birthed by it.
    Do those two things. Cops will be safer.
    The public in general will be safer.

    Rand Paul has introduced legislation to ban no knock warrants. One can only hope congress has the sense to pass that legislation and the states enough sense to honor it if passed.
     
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    A5E3C6EF-ED22-4ED2-B7BF-A9ED70C9197C.jpeg https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/25/breonna-taylor-protest-scott-arrest/?outputType=amp
     
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    Does being a convicted felon disqualify her from serving in the State Legislature?
     
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  4. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    Yep. The protestors took refuge at a church with the pastors permission. Being private property the police could not enter nor arrest them there for curfew violation.
    The legislator was with a group of them that left the church and set fire to a trash can I believe.
     
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  5. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    It's very likely those charges will be dropped, and if not its certain she wont be convicted regardless.
     
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  6. partdeux

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    End the failed war on drugs
     
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  7. Mercator

    Mercator Well-Known Member

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    Your keyboard can take it, but in real life you would do no such thing if you were held accountable. Same as the social justice philosophers here.
    The dealer Taylor worked for as a cashier sold cocaine and heroine (or fentanyl). It’s illegal in every corner of the free world, including the most liberal and white European nation states.
     
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  8. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

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    There is nothing wrong with no knock warrants if they are used properly, for the right reasons, WHICH 99.99% ARE. But like all this BLM/police brutality BS that fact is not relevant, only when one goes wrong does the EMOTION AND IRRATIONAL crap come out in force like we are seeing now across the board in this country. :mad: Not to mention that in this case they DID KNOCK AND ANOUNCE, SO THE 'NO KNOCK' AS NOTHIG TO DO WITH IT!
     
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  9. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Instead of taking away no knock warrants, how about taking away armed criminals??

    I get sick of anarchists continuously whining about how badly the poor downtrodden criminals are being treated.

    If we legalize dope, then what next??? Maybe legalize pedopliles?? Yeah. Lotsa demand for sex with little kids and we can't seem to stop it, so why not legalize it???

    Stopping drug dealers is worthwhile, even if we have to destroy a few of them.
     
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  10. Mercator

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    Heard of duterte? Prez of the Philippines. Had dealersand junkies shot on sight. Got honestly re-elected. Friend Is married to a philipina.

    Also been reported to have said **** Obama (for his concern)
     
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  11. Ghost1958

    Ghost1958 Well-Known Member

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    No knock warrants are dangerous to the cops and the public.
    What LMPD had that night, despite what they now claim, was a no knock warrant .
    The claim it was a knock anounce warrant was only made on the last week.
    Up until then , LMPD exhaustively was defending the fact they requested and got the no knock. Even to the wording on the request.

    When Walker is rearrested and charged with attempted murder of a police officer their present yarn might have a bit of credibility. But he hasn't been and he wont be. Because Cameron knows if he takes this fairy tale into an actual court where this farce can be disputed it wont stand up.

    Alot of folks are armed on body at home all the time. They need no time to " arm themselves"
    Bust down their door screaming police or Jesus Christ and they will blow you back out of the door.

    As far as the drug war it's a flop. Has always been a flop, only creating a black market problem where none existed.

    Modern day prohibition.
    Wonder how the nation got by before the formation of DEA and the drug war?

    The cost in violations of the constitution, the emergence of civil forfeiture, the creation of black markets that spawn criminal organizations , the ripping of the 4th A to shreds, and the danger to both cops and the law abiding public in general is much worse than the danger of leaving people alone to decide what they will or will not do to themselves.
     
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  12. Ghost1958

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    Jim. When you see Walker. The man who shot officer Mattingly be rearrested for what they arrested him for to start with and were forced to drop the charges , attempted murder of a police officer , then start believing they announced themselves and can prove it in court where the states case can be questioned.

    They released him because in Ky unless one knows or can reasonably be expected to know the invaders are cops its absolutely legal to use lethal force to defend against them.
    They have 5 witnesses that swore they heard nothing except a loud knocking a crash , one gunshot followed quickly by many gunshots. Vs 1 " independent, unidentified witness" that popped up in the grand jury hearing that claims they did announce.

    They also identified the specific officer who fired the shots that killed Taylor.
    Yet he isnt charged with anything.
    If a citizen had fired back at walker because he fired at him and killed a woman offering no threat that citizen would without doubt be charged with negligent homicide at minimum.
    Either we all live under the same laws or the laws are useless . I'm talking citizen vs cop. Race has nothing to do with it.
     
  13. JimRau

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    I have been DIRECTLY involved in serving many NK warrants with no problem, and know personally of many more that were served with no problem. Are there an occasions when something that goes wrong?? Sure, it is called human foul ability. How many of these NK warrants PREVENTED the lose of life on BOTH sides by coming in FAST and taking control of very dangerous people before they have time to react? It would be hard to put an exact # on that but there have been A LOT of lives saved by using NK warrants over the years, but that is irrelevant to the ignorant prejudice people who don't care about FACTS AND REALITY!!! :(
     
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  14. locutus

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    Jim, cop haters gonna hate. Gotta accept it, I guess.

    And anarchists will never believe in rules. ANY rules.
     
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  15. Ghost1958

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    Always wonder how the nation functioned without the social engineering control freaks having created a drug war, black market and violent criminal organizations it birthed.?
     
  16. Ghost1958

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    I can answer the one question.
    NO lives have been saved by no knock warrants.
    Quite a few on both sides have been lost because of them though.

    Police don't use them in my area of the state anymore because of an almost guaranteed outcome of being shot multiple times before they get a foot inside.
    Personally kick in my door or window etc I dont care what your yelling your eating heavy lead. In the head or legs , Lots of it. Before you get a foot inside the door.
    Any thugs can yell police while kicking in a door .
    The few times I've seen a no knock done here that didnt turn into a cluster police were announcing it was police over the pa system of a cruiser a few seconds before the ninja attack.

    Still other than sometimes preventing a bit of pot being flushed no knocks serve no legitimate purpose in law enforcement.
    Violate the 4 A, endanger both cops and civilians.

    At any rate Louisville has banned them. Kentucky as a state probably will.
    And Federal legislation is already submitted by the GOP to ban them nationally.
    The days of copa kicking in peopes doors like soldiers in Afganistan with no warning are numbered. Rightfully so.
     
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  17. JTJ

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    1) It was not a no knock warrant.
    2) The police announced themselves.
    3) The man started shooting.
    4) The police fired back in self defense.
    5) The woman was caught in the line of fire.
    6) She was not deliberately murdered but BLM does not care about truth.
     
  18. F4U

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    A big part of the problem here is nobody knows who to believe, so they believe the version that best fits their preconceived notions. The only constant in all of these events is that it took more than 1 bad decision, sometimes many, usually made by more than 1 person, also sometimes many, for the event to occur.
     
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  19. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Where on earth did anyone get the ludicrous idea that a WARRANT issued by a judge violates the 4th??? That's totally absurd.
     
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  20. Mercator

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    Probably must be someone with a vast experience of serving warrants :)

    The knock & announce calls are among the most dangerous LE assignments. Right before the riots began, a large funeral was held in Indianapolis. An IPD officer had been killed when she announced herself at the door. The shooter was Black, so was the officer.
     
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