New Firearm For Wife - Advice / Suggestions

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by JW357, Oct 31, 2013.

  1. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    Alright ladies and germs, I'm starting this thread instead of my wife right now, because she's too busy laying in the tanning bed that we just bought to do it herself. Plus, let's be honest here, you all respect me more, so I know I'll get better answers than she will. ;) Just kidding.

    No but seriously. My wife isn't comfortable with her M&P 9 (full size) for CC purposes. Its too durn big. She might CC it in a CC purse someday, but let's not worry about that in this thread.

    Here's the specifications she wants in a gun. Honestly I'm basically stumped:

    - sub-compact
    - 9mm (she is open to other calibers, but she doesn't like the .40 and isn't too keen on the .380)
    - she actually wants some relative weight for felt recoil absorption (point of reference, she shot a Kahr PM9 which I believe is 15.9 ounces and a Ruger LC9 which I believe is 17.1 ounces. She preferred shooting the Ruger, but if we could get a little bit more weight on it that would be good)
    - single stack is pretty important
    - the shorter the trigger, the better
    - she would prefer no thumb safety, but doesn't mind if it has one if it means a short trigger pull
    - she is pretty ambivalent about a grip safety. it doesn't matter one way or the other

    Honestly the only gun I can come up with that sort of fits her bill is the Sig P938. But it is only 17.5 ounces, and it has a thumb safety (which we would really prefer not if we can get away with it).

    The only other thing I would add is stellar customer service and/or a lifetime warranty.

    Thoughts? Advice? Experiences (good and bad) with various guns that might fit this bill?

    (Oh, and we know to go to a LGS and try guns and rent and whatnot. We've already been doing that. We just want more of an idea of what might fit the bill so we can know what to even think about).
     
  2. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Why don't you want a thumb safety? That doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

    If you could overlook the thumb safety, you could try one of these.

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    It comes in 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP. The 9mm version is 8+1. The 45 ACP version weighs 22.7 oz. (does not specify on 9mm version). It's $1200 MSRP

    http://www.stiguns.com/products/guns/pistols/personal-protection-pistols/
     
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  3. DrumJunkie

    DrumJunkie New Member

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    Best small 9mm I've shot in a good while is the Sig 938.
    They do have a safety but have really nice triggers ;)
     
  4. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I found one that might be what your looking for.

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    Springfield Armory XD Sub Compact. Holds 13+1 rounds of 9mm with the compact mag, or 16+1 with the grip extension mag. Weighs 26oz-27oz empty. It has a grip safety and a trigger safety. It is a double stack, but it's not a thick gun (to me). I've shot the full sized version, and the grip wasn't too thick. Quite comfortable actually. I don't remember how long the pull is on the trigger though.

    Cabelas has them listed for under $550. You might find them cheaper elsewhere.

    http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?version=59

    http://www.cabelas.com/product/Springfield-Armory-XD-Subcompact-Pistols/706564.uts
     
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  5. John_Deer

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    I don't know how Springfield Armory sees that gun as a sub compact. My Ruger P95 weighs 23 oz empty. Most people consider the P95 as difficult to conceal. It took a while for me to figure out how to conceal the P95 in summer clothing. I am a big fellow.
     
  6. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    The 3" barrel and shorter grip makes it a sub compact. It's a little bulkier in some places than other sub compacts, but it's still concealable. It's not that big.

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  8. John_Deer

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    I tried to pick a gun out for my wife, it didn't work so well. I finally gave up on trying to find a gun for her. Several months later she walks in the door with a Ruger SP101 chambered in 357mag. I would have never pictured her wanting an SP101. She shoots my Blackhawk quite often. She is comfortable shooting full house hunting loads with the Blackhawk.

    If your wife isn't into concealed carry you can't force her into carry a gun. My niece is a gun nut. She got my wife to go to a range that has ladies only range hours. She made friends and got some experience. Now she goes to the range during ladies only hours. She is learning to conceal a gun on her body at warp speed. I will be frank, most men have no idea of how a woman should conceal a gun.
     
  9. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    Thanks for the quick responses guys. I'll try to address them all.

    TWW - The STI looks nice. A little pricey, but otherwise it looks like a nice gun. Along that line, though, why wouldn't I just get a cheaper officer sized 1911 in 9mm? I'm sure they're out there. The thumb safety isn't a deal breaker necessarily, but she would prefer not to have one. Personal preference I suppose. A lot of people say they just want to be able to draw the gun, aim, and shoot with minimal possibilities of something going wrong. I can't say I disagree with that.

    Regarding the XD9 or Beretta Storm. Those are nice guns, don't get me wrong. We almost bought an XDm .40 as our first handgun. Long story short, we didn't. Anyway, the only problem we have with either of those two is the width. She is considering carrying in a flashbang holster, which means width is pretty paramount. That's why I said a single-stacked gun.

    DrumJunkie - The Sig P938 is a great looking gun. I've held the P238 and loved the feel. I've looked at the dimensions of the two online, and the 9mm isn't much bigger than the .380. The P938 is definitely a contender in terms of size and most of her desires for the gun. We just need to find one for her to hold and see for herself. (Either way, I might buy one for myself someday).

    john_deer - I would never pick out a gun for my wife. Everything I specified above that the gun has to be or have, came directly from my wife's mouth. She was in the room with me when I typed it. She loves shooting, and has a fair amount of experience in trying out different guns. We shot the SP101 recently with a 4" bbl, and we both loved it. I would like to find a snubbie, as she's concerned with the overall size of the gun in a flashbang holster. If we can find a snubbie to rent, so she could tell if she enjoyed shooting it as much as the 4" version, it could possibly be a winner.
     
  10. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

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    As I mentioned in The other thread we were out looking again today too. Wife likes her SP101 & LCR but wants something even lighter! We're down to the Sig238, Bersa Thunder(also 380) or the Charter Arms undercover/off-duty... Now our friend who is the Library manager where we volunteer is in on it. She and her husband want to go with us, so she can pick out a New one because she Does Not like her 380...
    JW if your wife likes the SP 101 they have it in a 2.5", put the Houge Tamer grip on it!!! That was the make or break for Mz. Dr. F...
     
  11. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    OP, +1 on the SIG P938. I have one, and I don't think your wife will be disappointed.
     
  12. Doc3402

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    JW357,

    One thing I might have missed. Did you tell us how she would like to carry it? IWB, OWB, shoulder rig, inside an arm sling? Yes, I've done the arm sling. Works like a champ. People look right at it, but never look in it.
     
  13. seancslaughter

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    Man if you didn't have the single stack requirement it opens up so many more options like sc Springfield xd 357 or a cz 2075. As it stands the couple you guys have named the only one I've handled I'd the sig and it's nice but not much to grab onto
     
  14. drvsafe

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    What about a Beretta Nano? 9 mm sub compact, comes with 1-6 round and 1-8 round these days. Super reliable. Only a 2 year warranty but it's a beretta, who needs a warranty?!
     
  15. DeltaF

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    Para ordnance ltc or lda in 9mm.

    The lda is available in single and double action, single stack, 24 ounces, light but solid trigger pull. I shot it a grand total of 1 times probably 5 years ago and I don't even remember who had it but my overall impression was "want one."

    I believe it does have a thumb safety. That might put a wrench in things for you depending on whether she likes the trigger pull.

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    But look! Pretty......

    I've never shot the LTC but somebody on another forum a long time ago in a galaxy far far away was screaming its praises in 9mm. Be forewarned: like a lot of 1911s the paras do have a break in period. A lot of guys claim they are "unreliable" because they never bother to break them in.
     
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  16. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    You did miss it, but that's ok because it wasn't in the original post. Right now she intends to carry in a flashbang holster, which attaches to the bra strap. Given her varied and feminine styles of dress, she thinks that's one of the better methods for consistency and always having it on her body, rather than in a purse.
     
  17. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    Good luck in your search. She wants something lighter than an LCR?! Ha!

    :)

    Yeah I know, but what can ya do?

    I didn't know they only give a two year warranty. :( Still might be a possibility. How's the trigger feel?

    Interesting on the Para....
     
  18. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Short trigger pull and no safety??? That sends shivers down my spine. That's a bad combo for a CC piece.

    She's already shot the Kahr. That was going to be my first recommendation as it is what I carry.

    You might also check out the Springfield EMP 9. It has some heft to it, short trigger pull, beautiful gun, but it does have the safety. IMO, safety is required on a SA carry piece. The Springfield XDS 9 is another option. I agree with others, the XD or XDM's are not "subcompact", but the XDS comes close.
     
  19. wittmeba

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    Seems to me that the first decision is whether it will be a Semi-auto or revolver. This to me is the biggest difference in gun choices. This will provide a top level criteria for specific models to be evaluated.

    Once you determine this the caliber would be next. My decision would be pretty easy - either 9MM Semi or .357 revolver that would shoot .38 specials.

    You may next want to list gun mfgs and begin consideration of which model. This is where price may become a factor as well.

    When assessing what a gun should have and not have I'd make a list with the "Absolutely must haves" and "would like to have" (a safety, magazine qty, interchangeable palm/grips, sights, etc)

    Narrow it down to about 5, find a good gun shop and handle them all - pick the one that fits all/most of the criteria and the "hand" of the shooter. This should include testing of trigger pull and other personal preferences.

    I've gone thru much the same right now with the possibility of SP101 and M&P Shield for CCW.
     
  20. DeltaF

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    Guess you never read the first post? Don't know of any single stack revolvers out there...

    Here I'll list the basics for you.

    - sub-compact
    - 9mm
    - heavier than 17.1 oz
    - single stack
    - the short trigger
    - she would prefer no thumb safety, but doesn't mind if it has one if it means a short trigger pill