New CZ 75 D compact PCR came home today

Discussion in 'CZ Forum' started by IowaShooter, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. IowaShooter

    IowaShooter Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I bought one (again)

    Here's the skinny- range report to follow

    14+1 9mm
    1.6 pounds with unloaded mag
    $549
    5.5 lb SA trigger pull
    Tiny sights will be replaced (they do glow in the dark... barely)
    Had this gun once before... bought it again... to keep this time :)

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  2. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

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    I have the full sized one. Will someday own the compact. Hope it works out well for you
     
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  3. Rifling82

    Rifling82 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Good deal Iowa, ive got the 75 Compact (all steel) and love it
     
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  4. IowaShooter

    IowaShooter Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Found a couple holsters in the "holster bin" in the shop that might work

    Will probably order a kydex IWB

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  5. locutus

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    I took a hard look at these before buying the P-07. I really liked it, but the all steel frame made it far too heavy for my taste. My P-07 is basically the same gun but with polymer frame, and much lighter.
     
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  6. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The PCR has an alloy frame. The 75 compact is all steel.
     
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  7. IowaShooter

    IowaShooter Well-Known Member Supporter

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    CZ 75D PCR vs CZ 75 Compact

    If you were leaning toward a CZ to CCW, two of the strongest contenders are going to come down to the CZ 75 Compact vs PCR.

    CZ makes some of the best pistols to be had, though their product lineup is a bit heavier on the full-size guns than on concealed carry pistols. That said, these two guns are among the best and most popular for that purpose. Both have a lot in common, as they are both compact versions of the CZ-75, but do have some significant differences. Which is better? The fit and feel are going to be about the same; it's practically the same gun. What the decision will come down to is what you like in a double-action carry gun.

    CZ-75 Compact: CZ's Greatest Hits In A Compact Package The CZ-75 Compact, or more accurately the CZ-75B Compact, is just like the CZ-75B, with a bit hacked off the barrel, the slide and the grip to make it more packable and concealable. The overall length is reduced by about ¾" and the grip by about ½". Just about everything else is the same as the CZ-75. If you like the CZ-75 but wish it was a little smaller for carry, this is the gun to have. It has a steel frame, which the slide rides inside, giving it tight lockup and a low bore axis. The CZ-75 Compact, as a result, is known for better shooting manners than some full-size service pistols. The frame is steel, in case you like a bit of weight and the confidence of having an all metal gun. The magazine carries 14+1 of 9mm, two fewer than the full-size. Barrel length is 3.75 inches, with overall dimensions of 7.24 inches long, by 5.03 inches tall and 1.38 inches wide. It weighs 32 ounces unloaded, which is heavy but does soak up recoil. Thing about the CZ-75 is that you either love it or you hate it because of its operating system. The CZ-75 Compact, like the full-size, is technically double-action but it has a manual safety that only engages if the hammer is cocked. Thus, it's more accurate to say that the pistol is more like a single-action with second-strike capability. With its looks, you might say it's an improved Browning Hi Power, a Hi Power Evo if you will. Usage is either to carry Israeli style, to let the hammer down over a live round to carry in DA mode, or to carry cocked and locked, like a 1911 or - as mentioned - a Hi Power.

    A Few Refinements Available On The CZ 75D PCR ----

    The CZ-75D PCR features an acronym, which will become increasingly obvious. "PCR" is for "Police Czech Republic," as the gun was designed for the police in...hold on a minute...the Czech Republic, where CZ was founded, still is headquartered and makes a whole lot of their guns. It's almost identical to the CZ 75 Compact in most terms. The dimensions are the same, with a couple of exceptions. The rear sight is ramp rather than the standard posts, though they are adjustable (front and rear) on both models. So that's a little difference, right? The slide is also machined slightly differently; in fact, it's the same slide as the CZ-75 P01 Compact, just without the full-length frame and rail. The CZ 75D PCR's frame also isn't steel, but instead is made with a forged aluminum alloy. That takes about 4 ounces off the weight, which is 27.5 ounces unloaded. It might not be as light as a Glock 19, but it is about the same size, so it's a very viable carry gun.

    However, the party piece is the controls. What really sets the PCR apart from the CZ-75 Compact is that the "D" stands for "Decocker" and as such, the PCR lacks the manual safety of the CZ-75 Compact. Another difference is the sight cuts, as the PCR and P-01 have a unique rear sight dovetail alongside the rear ramp sight. The CZ 75 Compact uses the same rear sight dovetail as the standard CZ 75B. Therefore, if you upgrade your sights as a matter of course (and some people do) that is something to be aware of...and some owners report that finding sights for the CZ 75D PCR is a chore. The PCR decocks to a safety notch that's a little ahead of half-cock. The PCR isn't 100 percent decocked, but you still get the longer, stiffer trigger pull of double-action mode. For those that prefer the security of a DA trigger, this lets you carry that way much like the double-action Sig Sauer pistols. For those who prefer a double-action first shot, this gun has a control system that makes that a little easier to do.

    Settling the CZ 75 Compact Vs PCR Because of the control schemes, people who are looking at a CZ to conceal and carry are going to naturally gravitate toward one or the other. It depends largely on what a person likes out of a double-action gun because it's the same gun with a couple of minor differences. It will feel so closely the same in the hand that you probably aren't going to pick one over the other on that basis. If you like single action operation, the CZ 75 Compact is going to be the flavor of your month. It actually has a lot to like in that regard; it holds about double the capacity of a Commander 1911 and isn't a whole lot bigger in terms of dimensions. (A 1911 is 1.2 inches wide at the grips; the CZ-75 is 1.38 inches with the factory grips. Aftermarket models can reduce that.) You also get to shoot 9mm, which means you can do a lot more shooting for the same money. It's also cheaper than a lot of Commander frames out there; MSRP is $544. However, some people like the double-action trigger pull for the first shot, which acts as a passive safety of sorts. This advantage has been known about for many years, and double action devotees have been lording this over the plastic pistol posse ever since. The best way to have that is either with a decocking lever - like the CZ 75D PCR or certain Sig Sauer pistols - or with a decocking safety, like on Berettas, classic Walther pistols (which is who Beretta stole it from) and so on. It'll cost you a little extra, though; MSRP is $588. You'll notice the roughly 4.5 ounces of weight saved, but that's nothing a decent gun belt can't handle. However, if you're sensitive about that sort of thing, then the PCR will be more attractive in this respect. Some people have also said the decocker makes the trigger a little grittier, but if you want a custom shop trigger then you should be buying the SDP compact. That said, it comes down to how you like your double-action guns. If you prefer a single-action but like the idea of DA carry if you want it, the CZ 75 Compact is for you. If you prefer to carry hammer-down, then the PCR is your gun.

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  8. SSGN_Doc

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    I really like the PCR and would like to pick one up one day. But like locutus, when I was looking for a CZ for carry, the extra few ounces shaved off by the P07 made me go that route.

    All of the other positives you mention, I pretty much found in the P07. Weight and size, similar to a Glock 19. Decocker, DA/SA trigger, some decent upgrades available for it. Reliable, easy to shoot well.

    CZ makes some good products. I know when they first released the P07 Duty, there were issues. They stopped production, revamped and put out an improved product.

    The PCR has a good track record. I’ve only shot them twice, but really liked them. But I really like my SP01, and full size 75 Omega (pre-decocker or swappable safety option) as well.
     
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  9. Nod

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    Iowa Shooter thanks for that in depth post. I have the Canik C-100 in 9mm which is a clone of the CZ75 compact. That's it in my avatar. Everything you say about the 75 Compact is true of the C-100. Same build, hard to tell apart. In fact the CZ magazines work in the Canik. And they are a pleasure to shoot as you mention. I use it for EDC unless it's super hot out then I go to my FEG AP9. I carry with the hammer down , safety off. I'm not a fan of a 'decocker' but I don't really understand them. I would love to get a CZ 75C one of these days but for the money the C-100 works for now. I find it to be a perfect carry gun even IWB.
     
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  10. SSGN_Doc

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    Just think of the decocker as your safe way to lower your hammer to the condition you already carry in. Reduces danger of the hammer slipping from your control and striking the firing pin accidentally. You are just using a lever to do what you do with the trigger and your thumb.
     
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  11. Nod

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    My FEG has a de-cocker? I believe but I don't trust it. I tried it and it worked but------! What is does is drop the hammer but move the firing pin out of the way. Until you pull the trigger, the hammer can't make contact with the firing pin. Is this the same as a 'decocker'?
     
  12. Rifling82

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    I'm not a fan of decockers
     
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  13. towboater

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    Im not a Lorena Bobbitt fan either.
     
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  14. SSGN_Doc

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    Yes there is a stop moved into place to prevent the hammer from moving forward fully. On Sig and CZ the hammer then moves to a position kind of like a half cock notch.
     
  15. SSGN_Doc

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    Some folks prefer a safety lever. Some prefer a safety lever and decocker. Some folks prefer DA only. Some prefer striker fired guns. Good thing we have choices.
     
  16. SSGN_Doc

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    oops. Somehow managed a double tap.
     
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  17. armoredman

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    The PCR is the best DA/SA hammer fired CCW pistol ever made, bar none. That is an eCZellent CZoice, sir.
     
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  18. B_Still

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    When I had my P-01BD (decocker) I was also curious about how safe it would be to manually de-cock the safety-only model. So I "experimented" (very carefully) at the range by repeating the manual de-cocking technique but intentionally letting the hammer "slip" before releasing the trigger, each time increasing the force of the hammer drop.

    I was surprised how many tries it took, how far the hammer had to drop, and how badly I had to perform the technique, before simulating a ND. That increased my confidence in both the safety of the gun as well as my own execution of the technique.
     
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  19. oO_Rogue_Oo

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    I have a Canik C-100 that I love the way it shoots but it is heavy for it's size. In fairness though it has been Cajunized. I also have a P-07 and it is not one of my favorite guns to shoot. I am not a fan of the Omega trigger and will not go that route again. I do have a Cajun trigger kit sitting on the bench for it that I haven't gotten around to putting in yet (I will this weekend actually).

    I have a CZ-75 Pre B that I carry at times and love. Then finally I have a Shadow 2 that I LOVE but have yet to carry. What the Shadow 2 has shown me is that I need to put sights and a trigger in it (I understand I can get the trigger to Shadow2 levels) and I'll love it that much more.

    Still reserving final opinion on the P-07 till after the pending trigger swap but I do not have high hopes. The Omega trigger is just not up to the standards of a normal CZ trigger.
     
  20. SSGN_Doc

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    I found that the Omega trigger is a touch easier to work on, and it breaks in fairly nice. I also noticed there seems to be more variation of DA pull from one pistol to the next when you take them out of the box. I’ve got one P07 that has a few thousand rounds through it and the trigger is very nice. I have another one that only has 150 rounds through it, and the DA pull is much heavier and has more notable stages in it.

    I also have a 75 Omega, from before they had the option to swap safety or decocker. That trigger was very nice right out of the box, and actually seemed better than the factory trigger in my SP01.

    I guess I’m saying, don’t give up on that Omega trigger.

    I am interested in hearing what you think after installing the kit.

    Even with the stiff trigger my newer P07 impressed me with how easy it was to hit with.

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