New Baby and Guns

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by MCarter788, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. MCarter788

    MCarter788 New Member

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    I have an 8 month old little boy who is crawling around right now and will soon be walking. I have a few guns in the house and in my truck. I have been around guns my whole life growing up on a ranch so I have good gun safety habits. I just want to hear others solutions...
    I normally carry my Sig p938 on me all day and when I get home I just place it in my nightstand. My wife keeps her Ruger LCR 38 Special in her nightstand at all times right now. Then I also keep my Kimber 1911 in the arm rest of my truck too. And of course I have my Colt AR in a case in my closet and also a broken down shotgun in a case too...
    What safety procedures should I now set in place in my home and vehicle to insure that my son will be out of harms way with my weapons?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    I keep them all locked up except for the one I have on me. My wife keeps her bodyguard up and out of the reach of my 6 year old on the entertainment center but she never leaves the kid alone when it's there.
     

  3. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Exactly this. It only takes a couple seconds and a quick child for an accident to happen. I have a 6 year old granddaughter that I have taught gun safety to. She knows to not touch a gun she finds, she knows to tell an adult if she comes across an unattended gun. When I show her my guns I stress how I check it's empty and I tell her she needs to check if it's empty (she's not always strong enough but I help her check it while it's in her possession). She knows to never point a gun at anyone.

    But.............I still keep them locked up if they are not on me. I would never take any chance at all with her life. Not even a 1:1,000,00 chance.

    You know that saying, "Better safe than sorry"? Yeah......that.
     
  4. powderkeg

    powderkeg New Member

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    I have a 3, 5,11,14 year old I keep all weapons unloaded in storage locker in room with ammo and All other gun stuff. I keep my Xd on me. Kids will get into everything.
     
  5. MCarter788

    MCarter788 New Member

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    Yea I am thinking about getting the small safes that have the four key code access and the flip down door. Do you think that is enough security? Those four key codes seem like they might be easy to figure out. Do any of you use those kind of safes?
     
  6. elglockeroloko30

    elglockeroloko30 New Member

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    I have a 14y/o, 14 months old and a 1 month old girls. All guns in a safe except the one on me since the middle one started walking. When at home, before bedtime i have made the habbit of pocket-carry, either a sub compact 9mm or a "snubbie". At bedtime i go to the safe and switch to someting bigger for the nightstand (without one in the pipe). In the morning switch again and that is my system. I know is not without any flaws but i sleep better and i know excactly how you feel because i was there 6 months ago and i hope it helps you develop your own!
     
  7. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    That is exactly the kind of safe I have at my bedside. Mine is a Gun Vault. Even though it only has 4 keys, my safe opens with a pattern of six 'presses'. The combination is endless. The chances of anyone being able to figure out your code would be very, very slim. The door on mine also has a spring that shoots the door open after the combination is pressed. I believe the safe to be very safe in keeping anyone from getting at your guns. My safe is tethered to the wooden frame of my waterbed with a cable so no one can walk off with it though I must admit if someone broke into my home and had something to cut the cable, he'd be able to take my gun safe. It can also be wall mounted which would make walking off with it very difficult.
     
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  8. nosaj

    nosaj New Member

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    Keeping them(or definitely any ammo) out of harms way is probably your best bet for now. However, as soon as he is old enough, tell him and show him everything there is to know about the guns. My sons are now 10 and 16 and i have had them shooting for years. I feel safest knowing they respect and know the capabilities of the guns. They know the rules and that it's %100 seriouness. Also,it's good to know that they would be able to operate the guns if a bad situation ever did arise.
     
  9. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    Yep, mine is mounted to my bedframe and holds a Sig 226 .40

    I also have a 2nd lock box in the top of my closet for securing my EDC when it comes off my hip.

    Everything else is in the big gun safe.

    Gun safety with children starts with understanding that there little brains do not yet work like ours do. You simply can not expect a child to not go looking for your gun...and once they find it, if unsupervised, they WILL pull the trigger.

    Training them young is good but a policy of 100% retention is the ONLY way to keep your kids safe from your guns.

    The push button "pharmacy lock" lock boxes work great. Mine has been flawless for 15 years and survived 2 moves.

    I recommend you get one for every handgun you keep loaded and ready as well as a larger safe for anything else that goes boom.

    Happy Shopping and keep that little one safe. ;)

    Tack
     
  10. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    I have a 15 year old and a soon-to-be 17 year old sons. All guns were locked in a safe at all times except for the SD pistol which was loaded in my Gun Vault on the headboard to the bed or on me. From as soon as they were self-aware 9meaning very, very young) they were trained with the Eddie Eagle gun safety rules for young kids. I would drill them periodically by placing an unloaded gun somewhere where they could eventually find it and observing them without them knowing it. They never failed to do the right thing.

    Once they started handling "toy" guns we trained them to treat them exactly like real ones. Never point it at anybody, keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, check to make sure its not "loaded", etc, etc.. (the only exception was for water pistols- but they had those that did not look like a real gun)

    Once they were mature enough that mom and I both thought they were ready, I printed out the NRA Gun Safety Rules and said that once they had them fully memorized we would start hands-on with the guns. That took a couple of days. The first thing I told them when they started handling real guns was that any violation of the safety rules would result in losing all gun privileges for an appropriate period of time, a serious violation would result in no guns at all until they were 18 years old and out of the house.

    Now that they are teenagers they have never had a safety violation nor a negligent discharge. They are extremely proficient with all types of firearms and those they are not familiar with they have absolutely no problem asking to be shown how to handle them.

    Giving them all of the exposure that they desire to firearms demystifies them and in my opinion that is the greatest safety measure a parent could incorporate in raising their child. Where there is mystery there is curiosity, where there is curiosity in firearms, accidents happen.
     
  11. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Absolutely true. (if the child is not trained not to that is) Pulling a trigger is absolutely a natural thing to do. That's why they make them that way.
     
  12. Centurian22

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    As I plan to move soon and can not afford (nor do I wish add something else to move) a large gun vault, I have chosen one of the number pad pistol lock boxes that stays under the night stand, the HD shotgun is high up in a closet and all of my long guns which have to be stored in another closet due to limited space have the bolts removed and kept locked away.

    It's not without flaws but it satisfies me and my wife with what we have to work with right now.
     
  13. kfox75

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    You took the words right out of my mouth Winds.

    To the OP. My step-daughter is now 15, and very active in the shooting sports. Part of the reason why is that she was raised not to be afraid of guns, and was raised in a house which has 2 standing rules regarding firearms safety.

    Rule 1. Treat EVERY gun as if it were loaded. Even if you just cleared the weapon, treat it as you would a loaded gun. One "Oh Sh!T" erases 1,000 "At a boys".

    Rule 2. If the weapon is not on you, and under your control, secure it so that others will not be able to misuse it. No excuses, no exceptions.

    My mother and father were taught these rules, in adition to the standard 10 used by the NRA, they were passed on to me, and I have passed them on to my wife and her daughter. While she was growing up, I kept my firearms unloaded, locked up in the gunsafe which is bolted to the wall and the floor. If I am not carrying or in a situation where I can control my gun, it is locked up. Get a good safe and keep your guns in it when you are not using them. The safe recomende by WOC would be a good choice for nighttime storage, and easy acces to it if it is needed. When your son is old enough, teach him proper safety. However, don't get lax about gun safety at that point because your son knows safe handling skills. A hard lesson was given to a classmates parents during my senior year of HS. Five days before Christmas, he was accidentally shot by one of our classmates who was not raised around guns, and therefore did not know how to clear and handle the pistol he found in a dresser drawer. We buried Frank on Christmas Eve, and Scott has to live with what happened for the rest of his life. Form safe habits now, and your son will learn them by example, it worked with my step-daughter. Still, I don't chance it when it comes to her friends. Just ain't worth the risk.

    In the vehicle, carry on your self, or have a safe installed in your truck for when you are not at a place where you can carry. When you get in, put your 1911 in the armrest. When you get out , carry it on you, or put it into the lockbox, depending on your situation at the time. It is comforting to know that you care enough for your son to ask for help when it comes to his safety. Best of luck, and I hope this helps.
     
  14. MCarter788

    MCarter788 New Member

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    Yes all of your posts have been extremely helpful, thank y'all. Do you have any recommendations on gun safes for the inside of my F-150?
     
  15. msup752

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    I have a small electronic lock box and an electronic gun safe. I have one gun I put high up but my little girl isn't so little any more and I assume she can reach it. It is an H&K P7 and she isn't close to being able to squeeze the grip hard enough to cock it.
    Plus, since she was old enough to talk I have drilled her with gun safety. If she sees a gun, she will and has immediately told me so that it can be put safely away. I also remind her to never tell ANYONE I own or carry a gun and why.
    Even so, a third electronic box is on my to do list.
     
  16. MCarter788

    MCarter788 New Member

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    Can you post up a link to what kind of box you have? And do you carry one in your vehicle that isn't on you?
     
  17. winds-of-change

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    I would never ever have a gun "put up high" to keep it away from a kid, not even a kid that has been drilled in gun safety, nor one that I "think" is not strong enough to cock it and pull the trigger. Just as an example, I don't know about you but as for me, when I was a kid? You better damned well believe I could find those Christmas presents on the top shelf in the back of the closet. Or the cookies/chocolates hidden behind the "good china" in the cabinet I was forbidden from opening.

    Also, this is a good video that I recommend all of you watch. I have tried to open my bedside handgun vault http://www.deansafe.com/gun-gv-1000d.html using all of the techniques the kid in the video used and was not able to open it without entering the combination. The barrel lock might be able to be breached with a Bic pen, but I have not been able to.
     
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  20. sniperjase

    sniperjase New Member

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    Hi I am from the uk so the condition here are very strict on firearms I have a 6/9/10 yr old children and I have my guns locked up 24hrs a day every day while I am cleaning my rifles and shotguns I will taught the children how all the safety and rules about handing firearms and what danger they can do when in the wrong hands my son aged 10 is a fine clay breaker and a fine rifle shooter at the range and every time he knows how to make the gun clear and safe it's drilled into him but for younger children I just don't get the guns out until they are in bed