New AR upper. .223 or .204

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by ShagNasty1001, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. ShagNasty1001

    ShagNasty1001 New Member

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    I have a 16" standard ar upper and am looking at a new 22" upper to mount a longer range scope on for coyote hunting. I looked up the ballistics and I shouldn't be shooting more than 600 yards. Maybe 700 max. And I know the .204 is a flatter round but the .223 is heavier and will be less resistant to wind. What are y'all experiences with either or both rounds and which do you prefer?
     
  2. FCross7

    FCross7 New Member

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    Unless you've done a lot of long range shooting, and I mean a lot. Like thousands and thousands of rounds, I would rethink that. 600 yards is a LONG way.

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  3. ShagNasty1001

    ShagNasty1001 New Member

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    I've done my fair share of shooting
     
  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    shag, what is your intended target? this will dictated caliber choice too. the 223 is going to be less sensitive to wind than the 204, but the 204 will go almost 1000 fps faster than the 223. just some ideas to consider.
     
  5. ShagNasty1001

    ShagNasty1001 New Member

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    Mainly coyotes and other smaller game animals like prairie dogs. Maybe some hog? But I'll usually use my .308 for that one
     
  6. jem375

    jem375 New Member

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    sorry, can not see the need for a 204 when you have 223 and 22-250 around..
     
  7. fsted2a

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    Or an ex-wife? Need a barrett M107:D
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    shag, hunting with either at the ranges you're stating is asking for a lot, especially from an AR platform. i have an AR in 5.56mm with a 16" barreled upper, but have a 204 in a remington M700 that with handloads makes one ragged hole groups on a windless day. but neither is going to go 600-700 yrds and take any type of game. i think you need to rethink things and try for more realistic ranges if hunting, just to be an ethical hunter. now if you want to shoot paper targets at these ranges, then by all means, start building the rifle into a tackdriver. bolt action rifles are usually more accurate at longer ranges than semi auto rifles. not saying that you can't have an accurate AR, but just putting another upper on one with a longer barrel and a different caliber isn't going to do it.
     
  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    whats wrong with the 204? very fast and flat shooting, equals very accurate. works great for what it was designed for, accurate shooting at smaller animals in the 300-500 yard range. very little recoil, easy and inexpensive to reload. if you use it for what it was designed for, then it's a caliber that will not disappoint, but if asked for more than it is capable then you will be.:eek:
     
  10. ShagNasty1001

    ShagNasty1001 New Member

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    So you'd take the 204 over the 223 for coyote? And does the round fit into a 223 lower?
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Sabre Defence use to make a complete 204 upper for the AR platform.
     
  12. lonyaeger

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    I'm going to get a complete upper in .204 for my AR. That way, I'll have both a .204 and a .223. I'll use the 24- inch .204 for zapping prairie dogs at up to 300 yards. As far as you shooting them beyond that distance.....well sorry, I just don't believe you.
     
  13. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    If it were me I would go 223 and not look back. Outside of the speed of the 204 I don't see an advantage. 223 is cheaper, shoots just as flat inside the effective range and there are TONS of loads for them....204 doesn't have any of that.

    I must admit, the 204 is a cool little round.
     
  14. Sniper03

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    shag,

    The 204 is a neat little cartridge. However if I was going to buy a complete upper I would probably go with the 223/5.56 cal. There are a couple of reasons. One being the availability of the ammo anywhere as well as the cost. The other is regarding cost of the 204 would only be best if you reload everything you shoot. Finally the availability of various grains of bullets. I have shot coyotes, fox, bobcats and pigs with the 223/5.56 successfully by selecting the correct bullet. Unless the 204 had perfect shot placement it might be a stretch to bring a wild pig down. Sometimes it is a little bit of a stretch for the 223/5.56. The other issue is you stated the 22" barrel length. I might assume you were referring to a bull or heavy barrel. You want to rethink that when considering walking around all day packing a heavy rifle looking for yotes. I might suggest that Rock River makes a Predator Model and a Coyote Model which both are 223/5.56 uppers. The Predator Model uses the same lighter 20" Stainless barrel that is used at Camp Perry for the National Match Rifles and it is extremely accurate. And I agree with the AXX man!
    Even though 600 yard shots can be made with the 223/5.56 it also is greatly effected by the wind. And the 204 even more. I would not suggest shooting a varmint at 600 because even though they are predators I like good humane kills on anything I shoot all the time.
    That's my take on it. Good luck on whatever choice you make. :)

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  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    thanks 03, i agree, from a reloading stand point, the ammo selection is better for the 223. i like the 204, and i do reload for it, but my rifle is a Remington M700 in 204. also IMO, the 204 would only be good for coyote sized animals and under, but was designed for smaller game at much longer ranges than the 22WRM cartridge. factory ammo selection in different bullet weights is much better than the 204 also. IMO, the 204 is a niche cartridge that fits it's intended purpose well if used as it was designed. it is a varmint caliber pretty much.
     
  16. 7.62 Man

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  17. ShagNasty1001

    ShagNasty1001 New Member

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    That vented upper is extremely nice, and a lot cheaper than that other one. How would the 5.56 62grain ball fmj ammo made by federal do with pigs? I have a surplus ammo cans filled with them
     
  18. Werminator

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    Shag, I personally would not use fmj ammo on any kind of animal... I have a thing about using ammo I know will NOT expand readily and could pass through my prey leaving less damage and therefore the high possiblity the animal will suffer for an extended period of time before expiring...
     
  19. ShagNasty1001

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    What would you recommend then?