new ar build

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by unknownhero82, Feb 12, 2010.

  1. unknownhero82

    unknownhero82 New Member

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    so i'm about to start a new ar build...soon as i get some tax monies back :D i'm lookin at a bravo company upper...it's an 11.5" it's $780 but it says NFA next to it...does that mean i have to do something different to get it?
     
  2. hillbilly68

    hillbilly68 New Member

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    Not to get the upper alone you dont have to have SBR paperwork, but brother you better not have a non-pistol AR lower in your posession. Best thing to do is have the pistol lower before you get it or a pre-approved SBR lower. Can you own a short bbl upper by itself? Yes. Can you get popped for having a complete 16" rifle plus a short upper? Yes. Can you get popped for having a stripped lower and a short bbl upper? Absolutely. Here is the one case that you can get in trouble for your "intent" even if you dont have the intent to build one.

    Part 2, cant go wrong with BCM stuff; rock solid and top notch. Just stay within the NFA rules.
     

  3. unknownhero82

    unknownhero82 New Member

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    ok but what are the nfa rules? and what do you mean by a pistol lower? it's gonna be a rifle..like with 5 position stock...and like a reddot or acog optics...i was just wondering how i can get that upper or even the 12.5 upper...i mean i see it for sale on the website but how do go about actually ordering/owning one lol
     
  4. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Here's the deal bro, if you have a stock on it, your barrel length has to meet the NFA rules, which i am pretty sure is 16". At least it's 16" here in Washington and I know several other states. Don't quote me on that inch length, check your local laws.

    Now, how you get an 11.5" barrel and still meet the regulations?

    That is where an extended flash suppressor comes in. You would have to get a 5.5" flash suppressor and have it tack welded or spot welded or some other way of PERMANENTLY afixing it to the end of your rifled barrel.

    Really, you aren't getting anything out of this, because you still need the full length to be legal, but you are losing rifling accuracy.

    If you get a 16" barrel, or say a 14.5" barrel with a 1.5" flash suppressor, you are getting a more accurate rifle.

    Check your local laws concerning rifled barrel length, but I think 16" is pretty standard.

    JD
     
  5. unknownhero82

    unknownhero82 New Member

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    ok well i guess that idea is out...i just thought it would have been a pretty badass ar with an 11.5 or 12.5" barrel with the forearm rail bein like 11 or 12" lol but i guess i'll have to stick with a 16" lol and see if i can find a 13.5 gaurd for it
     
  6. stalkingbear

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    If I'm not mistaken, screwed on then pinned (muzzle break) qualifies as permanent in the eyes of BATFE.
     
  7. Highpower

    Highpower New Member

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    Federal Regs: Minimum 16" barrel AND at least 26" overall length.

     
  8. Highpower

    Highpower New Member

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    Edit to add quotes.
     
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  9. hillbilly68

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    FWIW take a look at a BCM mid length gas system with a 14.5 bbl with the permanent hider. As short as you can get legally and you pick up the mid length gas.

    JD is right, 16in bbl is the minimum, and with a conventional AR that means the actual bbl is 16 then you add the screw on brake/ flash hider.

    If you want to go all the way though, get the stripped lower, get it engraved as an SBR, apply throught the ATF and get the $200 tax stamo and you get the short upper. Few months wait, but in the end you will have what you really want. But take a look at the 14.5 with permanent, you dont lose too much velocity that way and they are still very compact. My 2 Lincolns.
     
  10. unknownhero82

    unknownhero82 New Member

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    sweet thanks everyone for all the advice and help :)