NEW AR .22s-S&W vs Colt?

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by themanbeau, Sep 19, 2009.

  1. themanbeau

    themanbeau New Member

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    Hi, Gun Bunnies-

    I was in a Sportsman's Warehouse (man, what a dreamy place!;)) the other day, and saw the Colt .22 AR clone, marked at $599. As I lovingly caressed it, I began to (already) have some adulterous:eek: thoughts, in the form of the S&W version, in the same caliber. Perusing the Smith website (later) I was reminded that their's is (at least) $100 bucks cheaper, the only negatives being the loss of the Colt name (admittedly worth a lot) and a 5-round (30/25) reduction in mag capacity. But, the boys from Mass also give me the advantage of a poly upper/lower (ala Bushmaster's Carbon-15), reducing weight, and removing any worries about (future) potential corrosion.

    Can anyone give me any different perspective(s) on this dilemma, or should I just grab the Smith, and (after paying for it, of course:p) run?

    Great test report on it:

    Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22, AR-15 Style .22 Long Rifle Semi-Automatic Carbine
     
  2. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    Both are fine firearms. The Colt is actually made by Walthers in Germany and besides the dust cover not being functional, for show only, the Colt is as good a choice as there is.

    The Smith is also a fine dedicated .22 cal. firearm. Although it's less expensive than the Colt it is becoming a popular choice. The first three we received in stock I sold the first weekend.

    You can't beat the .22 and the AR format only makes them more enjoyable to own IMO. Shoot Straight, Stay Safe.
     

  3. themanbeau

    themanbeau New Member

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    Thanks, Joe-

    I assume you own a gun shop, then? :confused: Appreciate the input/advice. :)
    How much are you getting for the Smiths? Haven't actually seen one of those,
    yet-to get a (firm) price. If you were buying one for personal use, which
    would you choose?

    .22s go 'pop'!-cheaply (still).

    Still Wondering-
     
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  4. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    I actually work part-time at a firearm store/indoor shooting range. The Smiths are selling for 480.00 ish. I have not shot either firearm, although, I don't think one is better than the other. I have gotten good reviews from customers on both firearms. It just a matter of personal choice.

    Let me throw another firearm into the mix. Have you seen the GSG 5 yet? This is another very nice auto-loading 22.
     
  5. themanbeau

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    Yes, the Walther, right? What do they go for? And what about that new
    10-22/AR? How much for it?

    Thanks, again- :)
     
  6. chucksolo69

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    I have the Colt and am extremely happy with it. The dust cover is definately NOT just for show. Mine works great and snaps open when I pull the charging handle. My gun is VERY accurate and is one-hole accurate at 25 yards with CCI and Federal ammo. It took me about 500 rounds to properly brake her in. I shot CCI Mini Mags exclusively until then and then started shooting American Eagle stuff. Now mine shoots all brands with no issues EXCEPT Remingtons for some reason. Anyway, I am extremely pleased with the gun and even though the S&W has a great set of features, the Colt is pretty much a mirror of a standard M4....that, the all metal construction (the receiver us aluminum) and the prancing pony logo was why I bought it.
     
  7. stalkingbear

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    The Ruger SR22 is a "gussied up" version of the 10/22 so it should be very reliable. The manufacturer website says 625 suggested retail. The link to it is in my thread "new ruger AR".
     
  8. rachilders

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    I got a S&W 15-22 about a month ago. It cost me $450 (included tax) and I have been VERY happy with it. The rails are standard picatinny and since I had a lot of spare parts from an AR I sold a few years back, I put a few on the S&W. I added a carry handle, rail covers, vertical grip and a sling and that's all I really plan to do. I've shot around 300 rds through it and it is FUN to shoot! I haven't tried any real "target" shooting with it but I can easily hit soda cans at 75 yds all day long with the gun using the iron sights. The photo below is a shot of my gun.
     

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  9. themanbeau

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    Cool :cool:gun/pic, RA-

    Believe it or not, I know where Longview is, too. I've even BEEN there. :eek:
    You are the first real, live owner of the S&W version I've had contact with.
    Did you make a comparison to the Colt? Or the Walther? I don't think the Ruger
    was out then, right?

    Do you plan on doing an Appleseed with it? I know that Fred says that .22s
    are fine for it. It looks really light, and compact. I think I'm leaning that way,
    especially if I can duplicate your price.

    Thanks for the good post-:)
     
  10. rachilders

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    There were two Colts and the Ruger at the store along with the S&W. I liked the Colt "Tactical" version of the AR-22 and considered buying it. It was almost exactly the same as the S&W but metal. OTOH, it was a good bit heavier then the M&P and cost about $150 more. The weight might be okay with a larger caliber gun but these guns shoot the .22LR. There is literally no recoil to deal with so I prefer the lighter gun. Also, all the controls are functional on the S&W, unlike the Colt. To me, the S&W seemed to be the best buy for the dollar of the three makes so I went with it.

    I actually got the gun so my kids and I could both use it. It's light and has the adjustable stock so they can shoot it now but still lengthen the stock as they get bigger.
     
  11. themanbeau

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    Hey, RA-

    Appreciate the new 'dope' on your purchase. This is doing much to help me
    decide. What about Appleseed, though?

    The Appleseed Project

    Still wondering (about that)-
     
  12. rachilders

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    I see no reason why a S&W 15-22 wouldn't work at an Appleseed training program. At the Appleseed website they actually suggest using a .22 rifle due to ammo costs and if a 10/22 - one of the guns they mentioned - will work I see no reason why the S&W wouldn't. I can tell you from my own experience that this gun is easily capable of putting 5 shots into a quarter size hole at 25 meters (less than 80 ft). With a 4X scope and a rest/bipod, I'd guess you could place 5 shots into an area the size of a dime at 50 yds with a little practice and good ammo. OTOH, they suggest bringing at least 5 magazines and at this time the gun is VERY new and extra mags are still in tight supply.
     
  13. Windwalker

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    Price of the S&W makes it seem like the better buy but everyone has their own opinion on new guns.
     
  14. rachilders

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    Price is only part of why I preferred the S&W over the other guns I looked at. If I wanted a reliable, accurate but less inexpensive .22 rifle I would have bought a basic 10/22!

    While there are many people who like their guns made of only metal and wood (I do myself in most cases), I think a polymer frame/stock is a good choice for an all purpose gun, especially a .22. It's lighter (weight is good for recoil control but a .22 has no recoil), won't rust, is much less likely to break or warp, is usually cheaper to make and can be molded into almost any shape. Some folks have suggested I should have got the basic 10/22 and "tricked" it out and I considered it. However, between the cost of a new gun, an aftermarket stock and other parts that met my requirements, it would have cost as much as the S&W by the time I'd purchased everything separately, quite possibly more.

    As Windwalker said, everyone has their own opinion. For me the 15-22 best filled the requirements I was looking for in a .22 rifle at a price I was willing to pay. For someone else it could be a Colt, Ruger "AR", SIG or any number of rifles that are becoming available to shooters who want something other than the bolt action, single shot or more "traditional" styled semi-auto's that have been around for decades.
     
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