New Alumagrips coming loose!!!

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by CHLChris, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    I just bought some really nice Alumagrips, slimline, for my Kimber TLE Pro II. I also replaced the bushings and screws for slimline bushings/screws. I just went to the range tonight and realized that, after about 50 rounds, my grips were getting loose. By the end (150 rounds), they were pretty darn loose.

    A benefit of Alumagrips is that you don't need to remove them for cleaning, like you need to for rosewood grips.

    What to do? A drip of Loctite?

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  2. Gordo323

    Gordo323 New Member

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    Nice gun!
    I use the blue Loctite 242 on all of my grips, scope rings, etc.
    Works for me.
    I need to check into those alumagrips!
     

  3. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    That was the only photo I've taken with the new grips (for a holster thread). I'll have to take a full photo. I really love slimline grips. My Colt New Agent had them and I've been waiting for the money to buy some for my bedside gun for awhile.

    So...one vote for Loctite.
     
  4. Sarge43

    Sarge43 New Member

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    Go to Home Depot and pick up some #60 rubber washers (I believe made by Delco). A box of 10 is a little over a buck. Put one of these washers underneath the screw head and tighten them down. They keep things snug. They're also great for wood grips.
    Good luck!
    Sarge
     
  5. g17frantz

    g17frantz New Member

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    I love my alumagrips!!!! Nice and snug on my Sig. Sucks they came loose on ya
     

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  6. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Go to your negihborhood hardware store with a grip screw.
    Get a small "O" ring for each screw (and a few extra).
    With practice, you should be able to snug the screws up enough and still be able to have the slots aligned.
    I would rather ruin an "O" ring than the screw or escrutcheon.
     
  7. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    If you put a bit of Loctite on the screw, can you still remove the screws with relative ease if you want to?
     
  8. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Just be sure to use BLUE Loctite, not red. I LOVE Alumagrips, and I've never had them come loose on either of the 1911s I have them on. Are you sure you have the right screw/bushing combination? Sometimes standard-length screws and/or bushings will work with slim grips and not bind up the magazine.
     
  9. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    lon, when I bought the grips, I bought the bushings and screws from the same vendor. They're the right ones. I wish they were Torx, though. I'm afraid to strip out the allen wrench ones.

    WOC, blue loctite makes a screw stay, but not permanently. I've never used the red stuff, but I'm betting that it is way more perm than the blue. The blue just keeps screws so they don't back out during recoil and use.

    I will try the o-rings first, keep 'em on until the next range trip, then I'll give a report back on this thread. I still have me regular-length screws (which are torx) so I could try that, too, especially with the o-rings in there.
     
  10. neilage66

    neilage66 New Member

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    If your going to Blue Loctite the grip screws, you best make sure the bushings are tight and/or locktited to the frame.
    It's no fun when the bushing lets go before the grip screw. :p
     
  11. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Chris, are the screws backing out or is it the bushings?

    Bushings need to be staked or blue loctite in place.

    Grip screws should never be tightened to the point of stripping either the threads or the drive. A very little blue loctite (use less volume than what you use on the bushings) or my choice, rubber washers (not o-rings) may be used if the recoil backs out the screws with no treatment.

    DO NOT use standard length grip screws with thin/slim grips and bushings! The extra length will extend into the mag void and interfere with mag removal/insertion.
     
  12. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    When I say loose, I mean the grips are able to slide in any direction along the plane of the frame. That says to me the screw is loose, not the bushing. If the bushing was loose, the grip would be loose on the Z axis instead of the x and y axes. I think I got that correct.

    It is really good advice to loctite (more) the bushings as well as loctite (less) the screws. But I will start with the rubber washers first. Do those just increase friction on the inner face of the screw, keeping them tight to the grip?
     
  13. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    They work as shock absorbers. The idea is to remove the metal to metal connection.

    When you have wood or plastic grips they tend to absorb the shock frequency. When you replaced them with the Alumagrips the frequency needs to dissipate and acts on the weakest point, the screws. The rubber washers eliminate the metal to metal connection.

    If you loctite the screws without the washers you still have the metal to metal connection. It will work but eventually the shock will break the anaerobic bond and you'll be back to loose grips.
     
  14. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    I've found that to usually be the case....but not always. ;)
     
  15. wayno148

    wayno148 New Member

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    Thanks for the info canebrake:)
     
  16. For guns, stay away from blue Loctite on small screws. Blue is fine for things you want semi-permanent such as grip screw bushings. However, for small screws it can provide too much adhesion. I know all about "all I do is touch the screw head with a soldering iron," "all I do is use a small propane torch..." etc. It's the wrong product for machine screws - despite the many methods of releasining it.

    Purple Loctite is specifically made for small screws and is what you want for small machine screws. Buy a small bottle of both blue and purple for different uses. A median between the two is green, that is made for screws that are seated. It is extremely thin, will creep around the screw and provides about 1/2 the adhesion as blue - which is PLENTY to keep a small machine screw in place.
     
  17. MustangBOSS9

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    I would not recommend going by color when determining the grade of Loctite. The number is is the grade designation. If you put the same green Loctite (not sure of the number, but it did say permanent on the bottle) on your grips that we use to use in our factory the only way you would be able to remove them would be to machine the screw out and retread the hole. That is the reason it was banned in our facility. I can't tell you how many times I've had to remove screws with green Loctite on them. It doesn't matter what the size is. Even an acetylene torch only worked occasionally. I would check the chart on their website and see what the recommend for your specific use. Especially on an expensive firearm.
     
  18. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    The other possibility, which is the course I took a YEAR ago :eek:, is to sell the pistol because I no longer wanted a Kimber.

    Great Loctite info, though!
     
  19. wayno148

    wayno148 New Member

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    Loctite 222/Purple sold by Alumagrip.

    Also Alumagrips now come with rubber o-ring/washers installed
     
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  20. cuba

    cuba New Member

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    you might consider that the two different steel material will expand and contract at different temperature, and after tightening the grip when the pistol is cold, they might become loose when the pistol heats up, that might be why the grips move around, try heating the pistol with a blow dryer and tighten the grips down.

    shoot safe, shoot straight, and have fun