new acquisitions.

Discussion in 'Revolver Handguns' started by red ryder, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. red ryder

    red ryder New Member

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    my grandfather recently sent me two of his revolvers.

    first is a Dan Wesson 22-v

    Its a complete kit with a 2 1/2", 4", 6", 8" barrels, as well as a second wooden grip.

    it also comes with a dan wesson belt buckle, patch, and original tool kit.

    he said he bought this kit brand new about 20 years ago (belt buckle says 1979) and he never fired it. (paper is still in-between the cylinder and frame)


    Second is a S&W .38 circa early 1900s i would guess. It has seen better days but everything functions. It was a german police issue pistol and is engraved in german with the name of the police station it was issued at.

    i'm trying to get pictures now, but any information on these guns? rarity? value? they are family heirlooms, so they will stay with me...but i would like to know what I have and if they have any significant value.

    thanks.

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  2. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Very nice indeed. I would have a hard time shooting the .22 since it's never been shot. However, I'd clean and lube that ol' Smith and shoot the heck out of it.

    As far as which model the S&W is, all I know is that it's a hand ejector. Someone else here will have to tell you more. I have trouble identifying the older models.
     

  3. red ryder

    red ryder New Member

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    i think the .22 will stay in the safe. I have a p22 i shoot when i get the rimfire itch. It really is BRAND new, no scratches dings, or blemishes in the finish.

    makes all my other guns look....utilitarian.


    the smith is way cool. the store I was at didn't have any ammunition for it in stock however, and said it is very rare for them to stock any.

    either way, i'm glad to add both to the collection.
     
  4. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Is the barrel marked .38 Special or .38 S&W?
     
  5. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I just asked for some help. Somebody should be along soon.
     
  6. red ryder

    red ryder New Member

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    .38 S&W

    gave it a good cleaning and oiling this afternoon. cleaned up pretty well. when dry firing in SA the trigger is amazingly light.
     
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  7. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I am looking at a terrible monitor. Does it have "POL GELSELNKIRCHEN"? The "Pol" stands for Polizei (Police), and Gelselnkirchen is the name of the village or city.
     
  8. red ryder

    red ryder New Member

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    NR. 51

    POL GELSENKIRCHEN

    stamped on the barrel is smith and wesson .38 .767 3 1/2 tons

    made in USA

    on the top of the frame it looks like it says "US Property xxxxx"

    can't read the last part.
     
  9. JonM

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    swing the cylinder out lots of old sw have the model stamped under the cylinder pivot arm. if its not stamped there it is prolly older than 1957ish
     
  10. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    It's a lend lease revolver, so it's definitely pre 1957. We need one of the Smith guys in here. Paging Robo.
     
  11. red ryder

    red ryder New Member

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    i've got SF 6857

    and 754407 on the bottom of the barrel
     
  12. red ryder

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    doing some research and it seems s&w starting cambering this pistol in 38 special in 1905.

    so it seems this could be a very early production of the model 10?
     
  13. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I was leaning that way myself. I could be wrong, but I believe that is the model of .38 that the army disliked so much, that they wanted another handgun. That dislike started JMB to modify his earlier semi-autos to a larger caliber and submit for a test (the Model 1911).
     
  14. c3shooter

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    With the S&W- WHAT IS THE SERIAL NUMBER? And does it start with the letter V? The .38 S&W is a fairly common round- Walmart will not have them, but any decent sporting goods shop should. It is fatter and shorter than .38 Special, which is actually a .357 bullet, and not a true .38. The "tons" marking would indicate this may have passed thru England, and been proofed there. Possible (only a wild guess here)- this may have been a pre-Model 10 that went to England on the Lend-Lease program (Brits liked the .38 S&W, used a 200 grain bullet) and later went to arm civilian police in Germany after the war. IF it has a V serial number on the butt, would be a Victory Model made during WW II. It does wear the low topped grips common to that era, but does not have the large button on the end of the ejector rod common to the Model 1905. Send more pictures, including close up of any markings.

    Your Dan Wesson is also a very nice revolver. IMHO, those were some of the most underappreciated handguns made.
     
  15. red ryder

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    I won't be back home untill Friday most likely. Ill try to get pictures then.
     
  16. hossman

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    Recently I began to collect Dan Wesson pistols and have spent a good bit of time on the DW forum and have a fairly good grasp of DWs. What you have here is what is called a Dan Wesson Pack. You have a very nice "small frame" DW. It was probably made in Monson, Mass. If so, that is one of the good ones, good quality. My guess on the value of the unfired Pack would be around $1,200 and up, depending on how badly the buyer wants it. Sometimes buyers pay more than the market value just because they want it or simply don't have that model pack in their collection. Don't fire it. As you said, you have other firearms to shoot.

    You can get an idea of the value by going to the gun auction websites. Google Dan Wesson's for sale and you will have several to chose from. If there is any other DW fans out there who disagree with my assessment, please jump in. I'm new in the DW world.

    Hossman
     
  17. red ryder

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    Thanks for the reply. It is indeed stamped monson, ma.

    it seems amazing that such a unique firearm, which has been kept unfired for 20+ years would only be worth slightly more than a new sig sauer.

    Oh well I guess it is the same with the car market.
     
  18. hossman

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    Notice I said "$1,200 and up." It depends on who wants it and how bad. I just paid too much for a model 14 porkchop just because it was in good shape and I WANTED IT.
     
  19. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    When the pack was purchased, it was considerably less than a new Sig at the time. Compare apples to apples.
     
  20. DrumJunkie

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    Any gun that gives you belt buckle can't be all bad ;)