New 20 gauge pump

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by cva209x50, Sep 29, 2014.

  1. cva209x50

    cva209x50 New Member

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    I'm thinking about eventually getting a new 20 gauge pump for small game. I can't decide between a weatherby pa-08 or an 870 wingmaster. Please help
     
  2. BVAL

    BVAL New Member

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    I have them both, but like my Remington's best. Have 2 870's, 1 20ga the other is 12ga., they are the WingMaster series, really do not the Expresses. The 12ga. I would say has over 20,000 rds. ran through it, it has never seen a gunsmith for repair.
    Now another way to look at this, is to look back at the Remington Express,,,,,,,, you can buy them in a combo pack,,,,,that is you get 2 barrels, one for shot, the other with rifle sights to shoot slugs. Sounds to me what you maybe looking for. Good luck in your quest,,,,,and don't forget to post pictures when you decide.


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  3. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    The Mossberg combos are priced right. You get a locking bolt that is more accurate with slugs. Personally I will not hunt or shoot skeet with any remington express. I would buy a savage over an 870.

    The Weatherby PA08 is a great gun. But you are going to pay a premium for extra barrels. Accessories are slim to none.
     
  4. eatmydust

    eatmydust New Member

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    Keep your eyes peeled for a used 20 ga. pump in your LGS, that new gun smell wears off in just a couple of weeks. Besides, I don't think they build them as well as they used to (all of them) and the $100 - $150 you save can go toward ammo, accessories, another barrel, etc.

    Good luck finding the gun(s) you want.
     
  5. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    I never manage to find all these great deals on used guns. Most of the time when someone wants to sell a 20 ga pump for $50 it is hot. Moreover, I would estimate that 80% of all pump shotguns are 12ga.

    I bought one field grade (now the american classic) Remington Wingmaster 20 ga used for $250. At the time I bought the gun a field grade Wingmaster was pretty inexpensive as far as graded pump shotguns go. I sold a 12 ga wingmaster with a 32" skeet contour barrel for $700 in the late 90s. I really did not want to sell the gun. Now we all are comfortable using the internet a skeet contour barrel is not so hard to buy.
     
  6. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    The man said Wingmaster, so that is absolutely what I would recommend. He obviously isn't looking for the cheapest thing he can get. If you get a Wingmaster, extra barrels are no problem.
     
  7. cva209x50

    cva209x50 New Member

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    I just added a couple new choices for a new rabbit rig. In addition to the wingmaster and pa-08, I also am considering a used Winchester 1200 or 1300 in 20 gauge (wood stock).
     
  8. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    I would go with the wingmaster. Somewhere down the line you are going to want to shoot more than birds and rabbits. At least you can buy plenty of accessories for a Wingmaster. Check out legacy to see what barrels you can buy for a Weatherby 20ga. You can get inexpensive 870 barrels through Mossberg.

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    This is what is involved with swapping a barrel on a Weatherby shotgun. I love Weatherby shotguns but I would use the gun exclusively for shooting clay pigeons. I have other shotguns for hunting and self defense. I prefer a gun with a locking bolt. Any shotgun with an aluminum receiver has a locking bolt.

    1st off hi to everyone, this is my first time posting here. A few weeks ago I contacted customer service to ask them about buying a short barrel. The response I got was that I could order it for about $90 but would have to send in my gun to check the headspacing? Didn't make sense to me but that's what I was told.
    http://www.weatherbynation.com/spik...rrels/0/?PHPSESSID=35q9bop16qktvkfh2faj2dvfn0

    Once the head spacing has been corrected you can swap barrels freely. There is no charge for setting the head spacing on a weatherby. I am not sure about Escort shotguns - Escort is the inexpensive weatherby, much like a maverick is to a mossberg.
     
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  9. cva209x50

    cva209x50 New Member

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    This project is specifically for small game. I have a 12 gauge a300 Beretta outlander I use for other stuff. I want a 20 because I personally think a 12 is a little excessive in some instances. 20's are really fun to shoot as well.
     
  10. RKB

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    Lots of light 12ga game ammo out there. Tailor your ammo to the small game you are hunting and the gun you are shooting and the gauge becomes immaterial. I agree, 20's are fun to shoot, though.
     
  11. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    Run, don't walk from a Winchester 1200. The 1300 is a step up, but they have also introduced two improved designs since then, too. I'm sure someone will come along and tell you theirs is the greatest gun ever, but that doesn't change the fact they have a bad history.
     
  12. John_Deer

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    1 oz is as light as factory 12ga ammo gets. Your shot needs to leave the muzzle at around 1,200 fps to have consistent gas expansion. You can drop down to 3/4 oz with a 20ga which is much kinder and gentle on the old shoulder.
     
  13. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Actually 5/8 oz. is as light as factory 12ga ammo gets !................
     
  14. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    I meant mainstream ammo. Not some obscure loading that no one uses. Someone has always tried to make a 12ga into a 28 ga and a 20ga into a 12ga, none of their attempts were successful. You can drop down to 3/4 oz on a 12ga loading. But it requires two wads and you have to sit there trimming a 1 oz wad with scissors. Not exactly a scientific proposition.
     
  15. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Yes mainstream ammo, available all day long, nothing obscure here !.............
    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/25...-1-3-4-5-8-oz-7-1-2-shot?cm_vc=ProductFinding

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/29...auge-2-3-4-7-8-oz-8-shot?cm_vc=ProductFinding
     
  16. John_Deer

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    I have been shooting skeet for well over 30 years. I have never seen a minishell in use on a skeet range. You are splitting hairs and being argumentative. I doubt any pump or semi auto shotgun will function with a mini shell. Exactly how are they commonly used?

    I own six shotguns, all of them are chambered for 2 3/4" and 3" shells. I can read the side of the barrel. Stamped on the barrel of all my shotguns it says for 2 3/4" and 3" shells only. Lets not claim unsafe acts are common use.
     
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  17. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    I to have been shotgunning for over 30 years & I am not splitting hairs or being argumentative. In a earlier post you said, 1 oz is as light as factory 12ga ammo gets, all I did was show that was not TRUE and even put up a 7/8 oz. load along with the minishells. Now who is being argumentative ? I have over a dozen shotguns & on none of them does it say for 2 3/4" and or 3" shells only so I went & took a picture of what it says on my 1100 Skeet, so now I`m done no more arguing !..............
     

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  18. JTJ

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    Those mini shells are about double the price of regular shot shells.
     
  19. tigerbeetle

    tigerbeetle New Member

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    There have been more Remington 870's produced than nearly all the rest of the pump guns combined. Double rails on the slide, fail safe to shoot, and an older one is just as good - or better - than a new one off the LGS shelf.

    20 or 12, or both.

    TB