Need urgent advice from Chicago people

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by 2ndAmendmentFreedom, Dec 28, 2011.

  1. 2ndAmendmentFreedom

    2ndAmendmentFreedom New Member

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    Hey everyone,
    I was disgusted when I called the FFL from which I was gonna transfer my new M1A and got told that it was illegal within the city limits. I thought I had done enough research and read all the State and City police documents and nowhere did I read anything regarding caliber restrictions. There is so much confusion and ambiguous language and "you should have known better" in this damn city it's not even funny. You talk to different people and you hear different things.
    I'd like to hear from people who live in the city.
    Thanks.
     
  2. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I can't help you as I don't know anything about Chicago's gun laws. But I am interested. Can you tell me more? Like what caliber is your gun? Can you post a picture of it? I live in Illinois but in DeKalb County and our rules are much more lax than those in The City.
     

  3. Chris78

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    I don't think I've seen anything in the Chicago ordinance about the .308 Winchester being an outlawed caliber, but the city pretty much has a stranglehold on everybody with their "assault weapon" definition. It has a bayonet mount, doesn't it? I think that they are classifying it as an assault weapon.

    According to Chicago https://portal.chicagopolice.org/po...n-registration-20B-with-offender-registry.pdf

    “Assault weapon” means:
    (1) A semiautomatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
    (i) a folding or telescoping stock
    (ii) a handgun grip which protrudes conspicuously beneath the action
    (iii) a bayonet mount
    (iv) a flash suppressor or a barrel having a threaded muzzle
    (v) a grenade launcher; or

    (2) A semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following: (i) a folding or telescoping stock
    (ii) a handgun grip which protrudes conspicuously beneath the action
    (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds
    (iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

    (3) A semiautomatic handgun that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
    (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the handgun outside the handgun grip
    (ii) a barrel having a threaded muzzle
    (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel, and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;
    (iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the handgun is unloaded
    (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

    Stay safe, stay prepared
     
  4. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    WOW!! That pretty much rules out anything.
     
  5. Chris78

    Chris78 New Member

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    Yep, the lovely laws of Chicago, thankfully I have close friends that are located in some surrounding suburbs that get to watch my toys for me. It's not optimal, and I don't believe that the Chicago ordinance is constitutional, but I don't have the money to test out that theory.

    Stay safe, stay prepared
     
  6. fmj

    fmj Active Member

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    and here i thought the SCOTUS had ruled against Chitcagos unconstitutional gun laws and ini favor of the 2A and the people.

    But what were we thinking, the criminals that run Chitcago are a law unto themselves!
     
  7. 2ndAmendmentFreedom

    2ndAmendmentFreedom New Member

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    Yeah indeed after re-reading the city ordinance, I realized that my M1A fell under their stupid "assault gun" category. Stuff like that makes me want to leave the city. I don't think there is a even a bayonet mount on the rifle.
    The weapon I bought was an M1A Socom:
    [​IMG]

    Does it really fall under the assault gun category?
     
  8. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    according to the above restrictions yes. the m1a has a threaded barrel.

    the only real solution is to leave that hell hole and stop supporting their idiocy with your tax money
     
  9. Mack Bolan

    Mack Bolan New Member

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    yeah, well read a little more, because its not just chicago that doesn't allow the "forum unfavorite descriptive term" -assault rifles, its a cook county ban that is in effect. keep your toys in DuPage or outside the crook county limits my friend :)
     
  10. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    You can have the flash hider switched to a compenasator, and then get it pinned on(rmoves flashhider and threaded barrel)
     
  11. 2ndAmendmentFreedom

    2ndAmendmentFreedom New Member

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    Still the average cop is no gun expert and probably doesn't know anything regarding civilian gun owner rights. I don't want to have my rifle taken away because it looks like an assault rifle and take it to court to prove that the rifle indeed uses detachable magazines but none of the other things listed and that therefore it's not an assault gun. When calling the Police Department you get everything from "you can't own a gun" to "everything is legal". They don't know crap and you're supposed to know better than them in the court of law, BS.
     
  12. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    Yeah I understand... it's much the same in California.
     
  13. Chris78

    Chris78 New Member

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    Cook county does have a ban, but there are home rule municipalities. I know that Des Plaines is one of them, no AWB there.

    To make Chicago ordinance even worse, it gives them the power to just declare any gun "unsafe". So even if you follow all the rules the city can still say no to you owning a gun legally. They even went so far as to deny a fixed magazine SKS. It had to go to court for the city to be told to play by the rules that they made.

    I'm moving out of Chicago as soon as I can.

    Stay safe, stay prepared
     
  14. Mack Bolan

    Mack Bolan New Member

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    Really?
    um, maybe you can bring a "blackhawk down" dvd to court with you to help show the judge an M1A isn't an assualt rifle. If you're going to rely or expect to be able to rely on any LEO's, especially ones at a desk answering phones, to educate you on what is legal and what isnt, i suspect there is a handful of BS in your future. A police officer, bogged down with the usual city drama, is going to stick their neck giving legal advice over the phone to a stranger, about firearm possession no less....C'mon son?

    more likely they break into a dance set from Cop Rock....

    think about it.:cool:
     
  15. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Your rifle has a detachable mag so that is one. That looks like a muzzle brake not a flash suppressor. I take it the barrel is threaded for the brake so that would be number two. Can you make the muzzle brake non detachable and would that make it legal?
     
  16. Mack Bolan

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    Des Plaines likely did that to prevent their long time business resident Maxon's (local gunstore and indoor rifle range) from having to vacate the county to stay in business.
     
  17. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    This is pretty close to the statewide ban in place in CA. The magazine can be made "non detachable" so it requires a "tool" to be removed. That's what they do here. The "tool" can be the point of a bullet that fits into the recessed mag release. The muzzle break can be pinned as well, making it non-removable negating the threaded muzzle rule.

    A cop might very well confiscate it out of ignorance and you would no doubt never get it back once it leaves your possession (common happening here in CA I am told.) In addition to that you would have to deal with the legal nightmare of fighting the charges.
     
  18. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    I feel your pain 2nd A, Im a New Yorker imprisoned by a city I never even visit! I believe your allowed to have a slingshot as long as you only have three rocks in your pocket but they have to be round so as not to produce undue injury to the perpetrator of a crime your trying to survive! Its advisable to have a Victims Health Insurance policy because fighting back can exempt you from normal coverage from your HMO. If your prepared to Die in Place, you get the keys to the city....