Need major help here asap

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by MobileMarine, May 14, 2011.

  1. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    Need help in identifying this artillery round , had retired seal now explosive expert w/ dhs look at it this morning and we can not identify this puppy , it has numbers but we could not cross them. we even checked with ordata .I picked this thing up at a yard sale this morning . The silver part unscrews but we have not tried it or wish to try it , we dont see a fuse on top or bottom but from what i have read there is some ap rounds that have the fuse further inside . Im hoping some artillery guys can pitch in and help . We cant confirm if its a parade round 'inert' or ........:eek: . If its confirmed live it will be disposed of no doubt . I am more than halfway afraid to even post this . If you guys can pm me I would be very thankfull . Its been sitting around for God knows how long and kicked and knocked over wet dry hot and cold , so im leaning towards inert but there is always a possibility btw you can judge the size by the atv its on, grizzly 700 4x4 ' big dang four wheeler' and it comes around 75lbs
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  2. JTJ

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    What is the diameter?
     

  3. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    6.5-7in about 32-33inches tall
     
  4. JonM

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    its too big for tanks and anti-tank artillery. most liekly a naval shell of some sort. training inert rounds in the army are painted blue live are green. if there is a naval base nearby have a expert come take a look. i wouldnt mess with it till you find out. old explosives become more unstable as time goes by. if it is internally fuzed static or a bump can set it off.

    unknown shells arent something to mess with.
     
  5. Jesse17

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    Especially when you don't know where it came from. About 15 years ago they were doing some earth work at a train depot in Roseville, California. They uncovered some sort of life ordnance. They did some research and it turns out a train had derailed there (I think exploded too) during WWII and the accident/explosion/whatever had driven tons of bombs/shells/whatever underground.

    Well when they discovered this, they went ahead and excavated the whole area and recovered a whole pelosi-pile of live ordnance.

    Just think if Grandpa had found one of those with a metal detector, taken it home, kicked the bucket, then Grandson sells a 'inert' shell his grandfather had, at a yard sale. :eek:
     
  6. MobileMarine

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    my dhs guy has photos of it and carefull measurments , he is going to ask some of his other or still active buddies . I love how we just chinked it into the back of the truck and drove around with it all morning . but hey if it ever goes off you will never know it , i would feel so much better if it had a hole drilled in it , which im not going to do , and im scared of calling the wrond person in fear of loosing it , i only paid 35.00 for it so i wont be out alot , i will update this thread when i find out more
     
  7. cpttango30

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  9. opaww

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    It looks like and by the measurement you said it is more then likely an 8". However I have not seen a twin band, sense ours is a single band made of brass. This reminds me more of a WW2 vintage Japanese Naval arty round possibly a dummy but it may not be. If I find out anything I'll let you know
     
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  10. opaww

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    I don't think it is Japanese or Russian in make, Though both used multiple bands, but they did not use a boat tail design. America mostly used the Boat tail design.

    Both Japanese and Russia had the bands at the very back of the projectile at least up till the 1960's Then I believe Russia went to a BT design, single band made of steel with it's band further in a lot like ours.

    The lighter area forward of the round is the most confusing part, it's design is not unlike one the Russian made Pre-WW2 But in a much larger size, (around 15") but then again it was not a BT design.
     
  11. MobileMarine

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    this thing is driving me crazy , its worse than being 4yrs old @ christmas morning and being in time out . I had a dream about it last night , I pulled the cap off and it started getting hot but the inside had some frankenstien copper coils and wires . Im taking the dream as a premonition . Maybe ww will just shoot it with my buddies new 416 @ 5-600yrds and hope for a single hole big enough to look in . :D All i can picture in my mind is joe dirt shooting the atom bomb with roman candles, but this is no doo doo tank
     
  12. MobileMarine

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    here are the markiings on it

    top head = 2497m ' looks like a M'
    top of main case = 2497 m ' looks like a M'
    below the 2nd one is the same thing
    and below all of the above it says in capital letters GWK

    black and silver with 2 bands , two spanner wrench ports boat tail non fused

    the top band is smooth the bottom band is also solid but has grooves , both are brass or copper - round looks like cast iron but is machined where its stamped
     
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  13. armsmaster270

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  14. Jesse17

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    Oh, I was off a few decades. :eek:

    I lived 1/2 block from the depot in old Rosevill, and they excavated the stuff a few months after I moved. Is that the depot where they were found? (I can't open links on this computer).
     
  15. opaww

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    So far the only thing I can come up with is that it may be an armor defeating shell, some had High Explosives in them. The plug in the back is in a few deferring rounds but mostly in AP's. The plug is not an indication of really much other then it was used on a few deferent types of arty shells. How ever coupled with the over all color of the round and the presence of a plug leads me to believe the round may be pre-WW2 and made for destroying Armor.

    My suggestion is to call ordinance disposal and not take the chance of it being a live round with the potential of destroying a lot of peoples and property. That size of a shell could hold enough HE to level your home and maybe the ones next door. But it is your choice and it may not be dangerous it is the chance you will take.
     
  16. Jpyle

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    PM Bombdoc...I think he is an ordnance disposal tech. He may have some info for you...especially whether you need to call local LE and evacuate the area if that thing is live.
     
  17. BombDoc

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    Yard sale? That would have been the correct time to call LE. The LE in-turn contact Military EOD as no other agency is authorized to handle Military Munitions. This situation is not uncommon.

    Without measurements it is nearly impossible to positively identify the projectile. I would call it in and let properly trained personnel handle it.
     
  18. Ruzai

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    I know it doesnt help but its still kinda funny.
    I cant imagine what your neighbors must think. Hopefully its inert because having that much HE around my family would stress me out.
     
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  19. MobileMarine

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    ITS INERT !!!!! The cap is hollow but you can see where the fuse would go so i think its a ap round or a shrouded fuse either way i think i can sleep much better now ,MEGA SCARY I have learned a very valuble lesson and I hope others that read this do to . MOral of the story '' never buy artillery from a toothless redneck on the side of a two lane rd '' . Yes I got a very cool object but it was not worth stress . Pardon me while I go throw up now , thank you guys for the input
     
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  20. MobileMarine

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