Need input!!!

Discussion in 'Glock Forum' started by BTenn, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. BTenn

    BTenn New Member

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    I have a Gen4 Glock 22 that I use as my duty weapon... I also own a Gen3 22 that I mainly just carry in my truck for multi-purpose use (off duty carry, hunting, etc.). My question is that I want something that has more power for that purpose. I'm thinking probably a .45 ACP and have looked at the G30 bc it's smaller and a G36. My problem w the G36 is that you lose rounds but the G30 is bulkier than what I'm used to shooting. Input would be appreciated as well as other recommendations!!!
     
  2. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    I have medium/pudgy hands and own a gen 4 g21. Shoot great with it. It thinner than the gen 3s and originals. Great gun. Just make sure to call about the rsa if u get one. They send u one for free. btw. I love the forty fives. Killer stopping power!
     

  3. NvRbanArms

    NvRbanArms New Member

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    One thing about it though. Don't know if it's just my luck or all of them. I use federal 230gr .45 fmj for range practice and it seems the bullets are grinding against the bottom of the feeder just before they enter the barrel. Don't know if it just the ammo or the firearm itself. You can see where they're catching the barrel. Nothing very bad looking, but more of an annoyance. Scared of getting a ftf. So far no problems with it though? Keepin my fingers crossed.
     
  4. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    It might be too much to ask of one gun to serve for off duty carry and hunting. Maybe a G23 or G27 for the former and a 10mm for the latter?
     
  5. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    10mm for the win.

    Its what 45 fanboys dream of... but will never admit to.
     
  6. BTenn

    BTenn New Member

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    As far as hunting I'm not using it to go out and kill game. I just carry it to and from where I'll be hunting at, like I'll have my rifle on my shoulder and if I need to shoot quick I'll have my glock.... I don't really know much about a 10mm, I've just heard they are a high powered .40. I also looked at a .357 sig, but the ammo is just so expensive.
     
  7. Byron0022

    Byron0022 New Member

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    I have the G31. That 357 Sig is one bad puppy, rent one and try it out before you make your mind up.
     
  8. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Well in that case (not hunting) a 45 is good but there are a lot of advantages in sticking with 40S&W which you already have, it's plenty good enough for carry. I'd add the G23 and G27 to my short list.
     
  9. BTenn

    BTenn New Member

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    I have definitely thought about keeping the G22 for that purpose but I kinda want something smaller and more powerful. That's why I was thinking maybe a G30 for that reason but like I said it's bulkier than what I'm used to. I thought also about a G23 but it's still a .40 and I might as well keep my G22 if I was gonna get that.
     
  10. Birddogyz

    Birddogyz Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I carry the G20 (10mm) while hunting and the G22 (40 S&W) is my everyday carry. The downside to the 10MM is finding ammo, and once you find it, most places are very proud of it.
     
  11. Gloves

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    I'm a bit confused as to why u think .45 is more powerful than .40
    I'm a big fan of the .45 ACP - big hunk of slow moving lead, classic!
    I will be the first to admit that the .40 is a more powerful round than the awesome .45 (correct me if i'm wrong)

    Here are the stats i'm using.

    .45 ACP . . .230 . . FMJ . . 405 ft/lbs. (11.2% wider than the .40 - slightly bigger hole)
    10 mm . . . .180 . . FMJ . . 425 ft/lbs.
    .40 S&W . . 165 . . FMJ . . 470 ft/lbs. (WINNER)

    .45 ACP looses. It's a fatter round that's best in a single stack.

    I say keep your G 22 and get some +P hollow point ammo.
     
  12. BTenn

    BTenn New Member

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    Well to be honest a lot of it has to do w not having 2 of the same thing... I do want more power and a smaller frame though. And even though a .40 is faster than a .45... Nothing is faster than a bullet lol.
     
  13. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    There is more to it than mass/speed ratio. How much energy is transfered to the target is a huge factor. The cross section or diameter is another. Bigger holes leak faster.

    Worst case you got a .4 hole vs a .45 which hole drains the bucket faster?? you can try it at home. Drill a .4 inch hole in a bucket and timehow fast it drains a gallon of water. Then repeat with a .45 hole.

    Gods forbid i gotta use my gun in self defense. My last shot hits the guy imperfectly and doesnt expand. im strugling in hand to hand combat i want the largest hole in him i can get so he leaks out faster giving me the edge.

    Thats worst case it happens to people its why i prefer the 45 over all other semi auto cartridges. If there was a controllable easy to shoot bigger cartridge in diameter i would use it
     
  14. BTenn

    BTenn New Member

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    So what model would be recommended? Ill take anyones opinion..
     
  15. Gloves

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    I'm playing Devil's Advocate here...

    Jon, what's why i listed the 11.2% larger stat.
    All else being equal:
    You are at a loss of 65 ft/lbs. (16.0% disadvantage) for that 11.2% larger hole advantage.

    I still say, for actual stopping power keep the .40 and do the +P hollow-points


    Personally, I think that a 9mm would do the trick just fine with a +P hollow
    point on a person. As far as dangerous game animal protection, probably
    nothing less than .357 mag .40 or .45 +p in a pinch.


    BTW, i do get the .4 hole vs .45 hole. I think the .45 takes the cake for target shooting. that extra
    .05 inch helps get your questionable shot inside the next ring. =)

    I love the .45 and it's fun as all get out to shoot, no shortage of types of loads or availability. a bit pricy though.
    I don't own a .40 probably won't ever get one. i don't need another cal. to worry about over a small 16% harder hitting round.

    I'll just shoot the baddy 16% more. :D
     
  16. willfully armed

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    This post is a failure. Your using energy values from fmj target ammo.

    Lets use values from defensive ammo.
    GEORGIA ARMS.
    40- 180 gr 1050 fps 440#
    +p. 155 gr 1200 fps 495#

    45+p185 gr 1100 fps 497#


    10- 180 gr 1150 fps 528#
    +p 155 gr 1375 fps 650#

    That Georgia Arms Speer Unicore defensive loads.
    45 and 40 are even. 10mm reigns supreme.

    Buffalo bore* maximum energy values for the caliber

    40- 155 gr +p 1300fps. 582#
    45- 185 gr +p 1150fps. 543#
    10- 155 gr +p 1500fps. 774#

    What just happened there? More powerful by 192#?

    10mikemike rulz the FTF.
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2011
  17. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    willfully armed, that 10mm is well into the .357 power band.

    Grab the 10mm ! <--- no idea what i'm saying. Look at cost and availability first. =)
     
  18. willfully armed

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    Another convert. I've done my good deed for the day.


    Most guys don't quite understand how much you can squeeze out of that extra 1/8" of case.
     
  19. BTenn

    BTenn New Member

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    I haven't checked yet but I'm guess 10mm is more costly than .45 ACP?