Need info on mortimer London double barrel

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  1. heavy0hitter

    heavy0hitter New Member

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    Have a double barrel I'm assuming 12 gauge has "mortimer London" on side plate of buttstock with "fine twist" on the rib above the barrels has exposed hammers with matching serial numbers 8178 any info is appreciated ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1393354591.384222.jpg ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1393354624.512081.jpg ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1393354666.372522.jpg ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1393354690.866151.jpg ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1393354725.226164.jpg


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  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    There were a lot of gunmaking Mortimers- family sort of thing, A few of them moved up into Edinburgh and set up shop, and at least one made it to the US, where he went into gunmaking with Mr. Kirkwood.

    Some internet gleanings:

    There is a book out called "The Mortimer Gunmakers" by H. Lee Munson.

    Partial records of the firm are currently held by John Dickson & Son. http://www.john-dickson.com/the_company/the_company/thomas_mortimer.aspx
    John Dickson & Son Ltd
    EDINBURGH
    21 Frederick Street
    Edinburgh
    EH2 2NE

    0131 225 4218
    0131 225 3658
    info@john-dickson.co.uk

    When Thomas Jackson Mortimer died in 1833 the business at 34 St James's Street, London was taken over by widow, Elizabeth, and their son, Thomas Elsworth Mortimer. It continued to trade until 1835 (the premises were taken over by Thomas K Baker) but in 1834 T E Mortimer had opened a business under his own name at 78 Princes Street, Edinburgh. In 1836 the Edinburgh firm were appointed Gunmaker to His Majesty.

    In 1840 the Edinburgh shop moved to 97 George Street, in 1854 it moved to 86 George Street. In 1851 the firm was awarded a Prize Medal at the Great Exhibition in London.

    Thomas Elsworth Mortimer died in 1860 aged 53, and the firm was taken over by his widow, Emily, and their son Thomas Alfred Clark Mortimer. Some records state that it was in 1860 that the firm was re-named Mortimer & Son, this is certainly possible but it has not been confirmed, see below.

    In 1871 the firm was appointed Gunmaker Extraordinary to the Prince of Wales, but no labels confirming or referring to this have been seen.

    It is recorded that it was in 1879 that the firm became known as Mortimer & Son, this is also possible but again, it has not been confirmed.



    The Mortimer guns appear to have been better quality guns.
     

  3. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    Of course it was the 1870's or so before breech loaders were very common.
    On the bottom of the barrels (where they lay in the receiver) there will be many proof marks and such. That is where much information can be found.
     
  4. heavy0hitter

    heavy0hitter New Member

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  5. heavy0hitter

    heavy0hitter New Member

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    Here's some more pics of bottom of barrels does anyone know if it's worth anything in such bad condition or just a wall hanger


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  6. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    Sorry I can not see the marks well enough.
     
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  8. heavy0hitter

    heavy0hitter New Member

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    Didn't mean to post those on this thread srry


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