Need info on 8x57mm / 8mm round..

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by The_Mapex_Killer, Feb 4, 2012.

  1. The_Mapex_Killer

    The_Mapex_Killer New Member

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    I have looked all through the net trying to find more info on this type of round and really just keeps saying the same stuff.. I want to know the range in yards for it and if its ever been used in or for a sniper round.. Its for my 8mm Mauser that's in the pic.. Thanks for the help..
     

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  2. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    Seriously?
    Here is what a German K98 Sniper looked like. They had standard trigger gaurds, not the winter in the pic.
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    With a 4x scope 8x57 was an 800 yard killer.

    Edit, Sniper ammo was 196gr. This is 1935 Sniper ammo.
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  3. The_Mapex_Killer

    The_Mapex_Killer New Member

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    So your saying that my 196 grain ammo would or could shoot 300-400 yards with no problems?? I have seen the normal 98 mausers but never really found the info I need.. My Mauser looked original before I done everything to it.. Only reason I did all the work is because the wood stock was extremely old and spray painted but someone's kid.. So now its what it is now.. thanks for your input..
     
  4. jpattersonnh

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    Your issue is going to be the ATI stock/mount. It may not leave enough adjustment to get out that far. Are you shooting Prvi ammo?
     
  5. The_Mapex_Killer

    The_Mapex_Killer New Member

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    Im shooting sellier & bellot 196 grain.... I don't see how the stock would have any conflicts with the range.. Its dead on at 50yrds, just bore sighted it for the 50 and first shots out hit 1-3 inch groups but it could have been better cause I was trying to get used to it again.. Haven't had time to shoot any farther yet..
     
  6. c3shooter

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    The effective range of the 8mm Mauser CARTRIDGE is well beyond 400 meters- closer to 800+. It is a very accurate round, and similar to the 30-06 in ballistics. And as the man said up there, it was a very good round for snipers.

    What a given RIFLE can do with it will depend on the rifle- wear of throat, bore, crown, headspace, bedding, trigger, scope and mounting, yada yada.

    3 inch groups at 50 yds is 6 MOA (roughly) For very long range shooting, that is not adequate. At 500 yds, that would be a 30 inch group.
     
  7. The_Mapex_Killer

    The_Mapex_Killer New Member

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    Thanks for the input.. my 1-3 inch was the first time shooting the gun since I put the new stock on and with new ammo.. When I first shot the gun with the original stock on it and with surplus ammo it was hitting random spots on the target at 50(not that accurate at first).. Im thinking its a big improvement over the stock version since now I actually have control where on the target it hits.... Thanks for the info on the effective range of this round, I couldn't really find anything that said for sure about range on this round.. Thanks again
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  8. c3shooter

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    "Effective Range" is based on more than just the cartridge. I have 2 rifles in .308 caliber. One is a heavy, long barreled rifle- the other a 6 lb 18.5 inch barreled carbine. Same cartridge, grossly different ranges.

    For data on the K98- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karabiner_98k
     
  9. jpattersonnh

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    Let me clarify a bit. The scope is mounted to the stock. Most are mount to the rifle. The angle at which the scope is mounted in relationship to the bore, and the amount of MOA that can be adjusted by that scope, can limit the distance you can shoot.

    Here is an example of a 15MOA base. Its' intended purpose is long range. The base adds to the distance that can be achieved.
    http://www.leupold.com/tactical/pro...ries/mounting-systems/mark-4-tactical-mounts/
     
  10. The_Mapex_Killer

    The_Mapex_Killer New Member

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    Thanks for your answers and input, the rifle isn't going to be used as a hunter just a target/range rifle for now.. the local range only goes to 300 yards and my zastava ak47 hits center target at 100yards(with scope on dust cover rails) so im thinking this Mauser should out shoot my AK and should get me pretty accurate hits at 200-300.. Ill be testing it this week so ill be sure and post the pic or the results here.. Does anyone know how many inches high I should bore sight at 40yards in order to be close at 100-200yrds?? Just wondering.. thanks again..
     
  11. jpattersonnh

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    Bore sighting. Remove the bolt, align the target in the center of the bore. Look through scope and have the poi the same. You will be on paper doing this at 100 yards. Adjust from there.
     
  12. Recon 173

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    For many years, most nations outside of the U.S. looked at 300 meters as being the average maximum shooting distance for their infantrymen. So for all intents and purposes, what some nation called snipers were really more like "extremely accurate precision shooters for under 300 meters." And they didn't really do a lot of true long range shooting like our snipers could do. A good example is the sniper training done in Stalingrad in WW2. Many of the Russian snipers were trained inside of an old factory building with silhouettes painted on a wall across the length of the plant building. Russian snipers were used for precision shooting in urban combat so long distance shooting was not a high priority. Simo Hayha, the Finnish sniper of fame, had an average shooting distance of 400 meters with his bolt action rifle. And most of his shots were done with iron sights instead of trying to use a scope with a frozen scope glass on it. And the Germans used their K98 Mauser rifles for sniping both in WW1 and WW2. Many of the German Mauser sniper rifles are still used to this day by collectors and re-enactors. Most of the German sniper rifles had scopes on them that had 4 power magnification to them. With a good Mauser rifle with a scope mounted on it, once you get it down pat, you should be able to easily shoot targets out to 500 meters and beyond. And the Mauser rifles are thought to be among the best of all rifles for sniping or precision shooting needs.
     
  13. Marlinman

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    The actions are rock solid and w a good barrel and stock they are amazingly accurate. Even the new ones are.

    God didnt make all men equal colonel Sam Colt did
     
  14. The_Mapex_Killer

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    Took the old Mauser to the range yesterday and 3rd shot at 100yards hit center target.. Not bad for this old rifle.. Going to try it at 200 today.. wish me luck.... The ati stock seems to be a great investment( accuracy wise) so far, not to pricey, you can instal it yourself and easy to customize with bipods scope paint or whatever you want.... Oh and the first two shots were low left about four to six inches..
     

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