Need help picking first rifle

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by michigan0626, Aug 15, 2010.

  1. michigan0626

    michigan0626 New Member

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    Looking to purchase my first rifle. This will be my first bolt action. I have experience shoot M-16s. Here my post I posted in savageshooters.com forum

     
  2. bgeddes

    bgeddes New Member

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    The only thing to consider is the quality of scope that comes on the package guns. Typically they are mediocre at best. You'll need a good one to take the beating a .338 Mag can deliver. That said, I would urge you to shoot something in that caliber or similar. It is a far cry from the very mild recoil of an AR15/M16.

    Depending on how often you plan on hunting big game (moose, elk, bear) and shooting for practice, another caliber may work and be easier on the wallet for regular practice. A reasonable compromise would be .30-06 or .308, even if only for the cost of ammo.

    Plan on going fancy on the scope. Good glass makes good guns shoot great, cheap glass makes great guns shoot poorly.
     

  3. michigan0626

    michigan0626 New Member

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    Yeah, Ive always heard to spend at least as much on a scope as the cost of the rifle. That right there would bring it to $1500 total. But would you go with the muzzlebreak, or left hand model??
     
  4. cpttango30

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    You go and buy a cheap gun and a fancy scope. I will buy a decent gun and a decent scope and out shoot you every time.

    Why a 338? a 338 win mag is not much of a long range round. maybe a 338 RUM or 338 edge.

    If you just have to have a mag I would go with a 7mm STW or a 300 win mag.

    muzzle break. Don't shoot next to me I will piss in your beer cooler. I can't stand people shooting next to me with a break.

    Plus 338 wm is way over kill for deer unless you are shooting radioactive freak deer.

    You say this is your first rifle. I would say for you to get something a tad smaller to learn on. Military BRM is ok, but honing your shooting skills means putting rounds down range. Shoot a 338wm a lot is EXPENSIVE and hard on your body.

    Why on earth do you want to hunt animals at 600 to 800 yards. Do you know how to read wind or mirage? How about bullet drop? If the animal is moving where do you need to shoot to hit it at a walk 800 yards away? To me people who hunt long range are just to lazy to make a proper stand or stalk.

    If you have the money to put a Nightforce or S&B or a Swarovski or any other ultra high end glass then go for it. Just know it is not necessary to spend so much to get a good quality scope. I spent $500 on each of my last three scopes and all three rifles shoot great.
     
  5. jpattersonnh

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    If your a lefty, get a lefty! For whitetail a simple .308 will do. Get good glass, you won't rerget it. I've spent $600.00 on a real good 300 yard rifle w/ optics. $350.00 for a real nice Husqvana 1600 (small ring '98) in 6.5x55, Pentax 4x32 game seeker scope, and a custom sling that I can actually use. All the parts need to fit!
     
  6. michigan0626

    michigan0626 New Member

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    I appreciate your input.
     
  7. jpattersonnh

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    You are in need of some major input! I like your blue inserts to Tango's post.
    .338 is over kill. .300WM is a great round, but I still dare you to shoot 100 in a day. It is still over kill.
    Moose are not tough animals. Believe me. A good 7mm (.08 or x57)or .308 will take care of them.
    My advice is get a good used rifle in 6.5x55, 7x57, .308, .30-06, 8x57 and give it a good scope. Seems you are talking about a subject you don't really know much about. Start slow, and move up as funds are there. Bigger is not always better.
     
  8. joshfireart

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    the 338 wm is a great round i shoot one. it is a hand full for sure, if your dead set on getting a 338 wm you will never need moor gun in the US. I love shooting mine and would not try to put a hundred rounds down range in one day but i can and do put 50. im a little sore the next day. as far as a good scope gose a 500.00 mark should get you a great hunting scope i like the 3X9s. And what has not been said that factory ammo is $70.00 a box give or take a dollar.so it not cheap to feed. I reload every thing i shoot and have long since recouped my cost. GOOD LUCK
     
  9. bgeddes

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    There is really nothing wrong with the big giant rounds, other than they will beat up you and your wallet. Many moose have been taken with cartridges like the 7mms, -06s, and -08s. The top shelf hunters (not me) will tell you almost any decent sized round, WELL PLACED, is effective.

    How do you ensure good placement? You shoot a lot and know your rifle. That means practicing at 100, 200, 300 yards and maybe more. This requires a lot of ammo. Shooting a less expensive round and being an ace shooter with your rifle will mean just as good of a hunt, maybe better, than using a gun you have not practiced with as much as you'd like, and potentially missing that once in a lifetime shot.

    Bottom line is that it's your money. You can buy a $1450 rifle, add a $35 scope for all anyone cares. If you're happy, that's all that matters.
     
  10. freefall

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    .338 is probably the most common round up here, 30-06, .375 H&H and the various .300s are all popular too. If I didn't live here I would probably be well content with an 06, for an occasional visitor a .300 is definitely plenty. You have to have a guide to hunt grizzlies and he will be packing something with a large hole in the end.
     
  11. cpttango30

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    Me I would get a 30-06 and call it a day. If you want a short action then get a 300WSM.

    For a scope Josh said a great tihng. $500 is a great range. You are now getting accurate Side Focus scopes with 30mm tube accurate adjustments and a lot of different reticules.

    I prefer Nikon scopes but Bushnell elite 4200 are good as well. I have been hearing good things about Sightrons and Vortex scopes. I know plenty of guys that buy meullers as well.

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  12. michigan0626

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    So .300 WSM is more than enough for bull elk and moose? Is it a more inherently accurate round?
     
  13. king1138

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    Actually, .300 WSM can still be considered overkill for a bull elk. I took an elk last year with a 30-06, and I destroyed her lungs with a through and through shot from 100 yds. My advise would be a 30-06, there's not a darn thing in America that can't be killed with it.
     
  14. Txhillbilly

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    For what you want to hunt a 308 or 30/06 will be all the gun you would ever need.They will kill just about any 4 legged animal walking in North America.
    The 30/06 has been around for over 100 years because it gets the job done.
    But the 308 will run right with the 06,and has less recoil.

    Both calibers shoot a wide range of bullets,from varmint weights to 220grainers.And ammo can be found everywhere for alot less than 338 Magnum.
     
  15. joshfireart

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    to listen to all talk the 338 would have never been developed it is one of the finest elk rounds bar none with exception of the 340 Weatherby.The 338 Win mag it shoots flat hits hard. it is moor gun then is required for most game. most Outfitters pack 338s up here when there is crippled elk at 600 yards going over the top of the mountain thats where the 338 shines. If i could only have 2 rifles i would chose 22-250 and the 338 win mag. BOY that would sure empty the gun safe, thats a horrible thought and dont tell my wife that
     
  16. Txhillbilly

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    Josh,There's nothing wrong with the 338,but to buy one as a first rifle or a do all rifle is probably a mistake.
    The 338 is a great big game rifle caliber,but a 308 or 30/06 would probably better suit someone for their first big game caliber that is capable of taking the game he listed.

    I just sighted in a guy's Model 70 338 Mag at the range a couple weeks ago,after he wasted a box and a half of shells trying to,but started flinching after the 2nd or 3rd shot.He had a nice rifle/scope,but it was his first "Deer" rifle.He won it in a raffle,the lucky SOB.
     
  17. peabody

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    well now ?


    if it was me ? for my 1st deer rifle, i'ed get what i already have...

    a savage 99F lever action,with top tang safety, rotary magazine, in .308.

    with a luepold 2.5 power fixed scope, silly thing is dead nut's accurate,

    peabody....



    or ? my old remington 700 ADL, in good ol' 30-06.