Need help identifying this old black powder gun

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by Mute8s, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. Mute8s

    Mute8s New Member

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    Can anyone help me id this gun?

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    I have a bunch of other pictures of the markings n stuff at http://www.mute8s.com/bp but didnt have the time to post them all here.
     
  2. Hawg

    Hawg New Member

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    Looks like something cobbled together in Afghanistan.
     

  3. wjkuleck

    wjkuleck Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Actually the border territories of Pakistan, by the Pathans.

    The barrel is ungodly short for a black powder arm. There's no lock plate on the left side. The Greek-looking characters appear as though they were inscribed by someone who didn't know or use the Roman, Greek or Cyrillic alphabet but thought they could fake the look of them. Overall it's startlingly crude in form, execution and ornamentation. The lack of proof marks underscores the likelihood of its being a home brew from Darra Adam Khel.

    Regards,

    Walt
     
  4. Hawg

    Hawg New Member

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    Some parts like the use of escutcheons instead of a side plate and the ramrod retainer are military designs but this "thing" was never military.
     
  5. Mute8s

    Mute8s New Member

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    yeah this is a strange one. I inherited it when my Dad passed away and I didn't even know he had it otherwise I would have asked him about it. Hopefully someone will come along who can id it. :) thanks for the replies so far.
     
  6. Hawg

    Hawg New Member

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    There is no identifying it. It's a fabrication unto itself. A mishmash of parts handmade and original thrown together in a third world country.
     
  7. Mute8s

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    Yeah thats what I was afraid of. On a side note while I am pretty much guessing it doesn't do you think this has any value at all? (not that I would want to sell it. I am just assessing my collection)
     
  8. Hawg

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    Sorry but no real value. It would be an interesting wall hanger or tomato stake.
     
  9. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Active Member

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    Hacked up Enfield

    Looks like a hacked up British Enfield.....or a bastardized back alley made version of one.
     
  10. Mute8s

    Mute8s New Member

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    Thats interesting. My father was a big fan of the british Lee Enfield rifles. He had 5 or 6 at least. Thanks for the note. :)
     
  11. Hawg

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    The stock may have been but I don't think so, the rear of where the lock is inlet is too pointed. There's no British proofs on the barrel and the crown and double border on the lock plate are very crudely hand engraved but they do seem to have been copied from an Enfield.
     
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  12. texaswoodworker

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    It looks like it was home made. I'm thinking that all its good for is a wall hanger. I would be afraid to shoot the thing.