Need help deciding what 1911 to get

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by austin125, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. austin125

    austin125 New Member

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    I'm interested in getting a 1911 to carry sometimes and just for shooting for fun, size isn't an issue but cost is I want to stay under $600. I know that doesn't leave me many options so I wanted to see what you guys have to say. Also I shoot left handed so that might also make it a little harder to find one
     
  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    within the budget you have set, there are some choices and some good ones. now they aren't going to be a tricked out Dan Wesson, or the fine old Colts.

    need to check out MetroArms American Classic's and the RIA lines of 1911's. many different finishes, materials, calibers and sizes. they are made in the Phillipine Islands and are some of the best value for a good, reliable and decently accurate 1911.

    i have currently an American Classic Commander in 45 acp. it's the second AC i have owned and can attest to their quality and accuracy. also very reliable.

    you owe it to yourself to check thes out.
     

  3. X-5

    X-5 New Member

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    STI Spartan is the best $600 1911.
     
  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    IIRC, Armscor makes the frame, slide and barrels for STI to their specs and then STI assembles them with their internals. Armscor is the same company in the Phillipines who makes the RIA and the High Standard 1911's.:rolleyes:
     
  5. X-5

    X-5 New Member

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    The Spartans are built for STI (to STI specifications and utilizing STI internals) in the Philippines by the STI division of Armscorp.

    RIA and HS don't have STI internals and are NOT built alongside the Spartan. Are you claiming RIA and HS internals are comparable to STI parts? They are not, therefore for the same basic money, the STI Spartan is far superior to your two choices.
     
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  6. Olympus

    Olympus New Member

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    Lets not get this started again.


    All suggestions have been good so far. I would also include the Taurus 1911, especially their stainless model. I believe Taurus is the only maker offering a stainless model in the modest price ranges. Stainless is a lot more durable and forgiving in terms of wear. I've owned 3 different 1911s in the $600 and under range, RIA, MetroArms/American Classic, and Taurus. Out of all of them, I have had the fewest problems with the Taurus.
     
  7. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I have purchased used 1911s in your price range that go double that if purchased new.

    There are so many people who can work on a 1911, that buying a used 1911 is not problem (unless it is really trashed).
     
  8. Olympus

    Olympus New Member

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    Most definitely don't discount the used market. Unless you're a competitive shooter, you likely won't wear a gun out.
     
  9. 1911user

    1911user New Member

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    If you have the money buy a dan wesson if you don't get a Kimber
    if you still don't have enough Springfield will do
     
  10. racer_x

    racer_x New Member

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    +1 for the ss pt1911. Mine was a bit over the 600 mark but not much
     
  11. Olympus

    Olympus New Member

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    None of those are under $600 like the OP said he had to spend. Might find a generously used Milspec Springer for close to $600, but might take a while looking.
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    this article was written in 2007 about the STI an Armscor joint venture. i will post this so that everyone can draw there own conclusions about the STI Spartan


    by knrama
    January 15, 2007
    An invitation to the opening of 14th Defense and Sporting Arms Show at the SM Mega Mall got me taking the first flight out of Cebu, Thursday (Nov. 23, 2006), for what was to be a two-day peek at what would be the hottest stuff in the competition and tactical shooting circuits next year.

    People came in throngs to see the latest firearm and non-firearm products from Association of Firearm and Ammunition Dealers of the Philippines (Afad)-member shops like Twin Pines Inc., Trust Trade, Nashe Enterprises, Magnificent World Guns and Sports, P.B. Dionisio, True Weight and Strong Hand Inc., all being offered at special rates.

    Chief Supt. Augusto Angcanan, the newly installed director of the PNP Civil Security Group, delivered the keynote speech in the ceremony that was also attended by shooter Julie Rose Defensor, wife of executive secretary Mike Defensor, who saw action at last year's World Shoot and is now one of the latest endorsers of the Pro-Gun movement.

    But the Arms Corporation of the Philippines (Armscor), considered to be the biggest firearms and ammunition manufacturer in Southeast Asia, was the showstopper, as it held the international unveiling of its latest masterpiece - the STI Spartan - to coincide with the gun show's opening.

    The gun is a single-column defense and service-ready forty-five worthy of the Battle of Thermopylae. It was designed by engineers at STI International, a prestigious Texas-based gun company whose products are favored by competitive shooters worldwide, and built at the Armscor plant in Marikina City.

    Joint venture. Dave and Pauletta Skinner, the owners of STI International, flew in from Georgetown to attend the unveiling and personally entertained questions about the new gun that will hit the international market come December.

    Only 600 units are available worldwide and only 20 are for local sales. Eight Spartans were sold Thursday alone but the production of 500 more are underway.

    Over Seattle's Best coffee with Gina Angangco, Armscor's Chief Executive Officer, David said firearms built in accordance to the traditional 1911 platform are experiencing a renaissance. As proof, he said in his relaxed Texan drawl, the Spartan became a hot item almost immediately after word of the design was leaked to the international shooting community a few months earlier. Orders, he said, were almost immediately made over the STI International website that, in turn, got bombarded with regular requests for build updates.

    Armscor, meanwhile, became a logical choice when the decision of where to outsource the production was made.

    The Spartan is an almost identical version of the Trojan, a high-end pistol made at the STI plant in Georgetown. Both guns are fitted with STI parts though the Spartan has Armscor frames, slides and barrels.

    Outsourcing the production allows STI to drive down costs and enables it to offer the Spartan at almost half the cost of the Trojan, which sells for P78,000 excluding license, while giving clients the same performance as far as reliability and accuracy were concerned.

    "The original concept was for us to make the parts and Armscor to make the guns and then sell it in the United States. To my mind, the intent was just to satisfy that market. But it just made more sense to also market it here in the Philippines," Skinner said.

    "There was just no way to hold this one down," he added.

    "Our motto in Armscor is bringing the best of the Philippines to the rest of the world. With STI right now, we can reverse that and say Armscor is bringing the best of the world into the Philippines," Angangco, for her part, said.

    Classic yet chic. In the image of the Browning classic, the STI Spartan is marketed as a traditional 1911 pistol with "high-end standards at an affordable price."

    I spent the better part of one day just looking at a specimen at the Armscor booth, Thursday, captivated by its picture-perfect parkerized finish and speechless with the way the sighting plane curved down into the slab sides of its tough 41-40 steel slide.

    The frame is government-length, standard-width and enhanced with an STI single-sided thumb safety, a high-rise beavertail grip safety and a checkered mainspring housing for a secure grip. The panels, in turn, were made of Filipino wood patiently handcrafted by expert grip makers.

    The slide, meanwhile, features precision etched front and rear cocking serrations. The sights are composed of a fiber-optic insert front blade and an adjustable LPA low-profile rear. The barrel is five inches long and fitted with a match grade bushing.

    The gun comes standard with an STI Commander-style hammer, the patented STI trigger system, and STI sear and disconnector assembly.

    Mesmerized but feigning skepticism, Armscor Senior Industrial Engineer Delfin Cresido patiently toured me around the Armscor plant in Marikina City for half a day to observe the production process.

    All Spartan internal parts are shipped to Armscor from the STI plant in Texas and a special division, personally headed by Armscor's master gunsmith, Arnel Bernardo, does the fitting. Bernardo is the father of Armscor's top-of-the-line Medallion series.

    The barrels are milled using CNC (Computer Numerical Control) machines from billets imported abroad.

    The frames and slides, said Armscor's Marcelo Cruz Jr., are obtained from the same billets through a process called investment casting, the same method used by trusted firearm brands like Para-Ordnance and Ruger. It is further enhanced through CNC equipment.

    Armscor, through the subsidiary firm Precision Foundry of the Philippines, is the only private company capable of investment casting in the entire country.

    This article was originally printed in Sun.Star Cebu last Nov. 27, 2006
     
  13. Olympus

    Olympus New Member

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    Great article, thanks for sharing Axxe. Definitely learned something new.