need help deciding the cartrige for my next rifle

Discussion in 'Hunting Forum' started by huntinhick, Sep 12, 2010.

  1. huntinhick

    huntinhick New Member

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    Hey, i need some help deciding on which cartridge to use for the remington model 700 varmint stainless fluted rifle that im looking to purchase, the rifle is a 26" heave barrel with a 1;12 twist rate dont get it mixed up with the newer more expensive vssf model, i am seriously curious about the .204 ruger cartridge but like the price of the .223 ammunition, most of my shooting will be done 100-300 yards occasionally i like to try to reach out there further but we will say 350 max (i do not currently reload) i want to squeeze very tight groups at 100 1/4-1/2" at the most if possible and try to keep them as tight as possible at further ranges which cartridge do yall think will work oh yeah and i almost forgot i do some varmint hunting and when i hit i want the most ballistics as possible
     
  2. masterPsmith

    masterPsmith New Member

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    You might want to go to the Introductions section and tell us a little about yourself. You might get more responses.
    If you are thinking of the .223 or .204 Ruger, you will want to go with a tighter twist rate, such as a 7 in one up to a 9 in one twist rate to stabilize the heavier bullets. The 1 in 12 would be ok for only the lightest of bullets in those calibers.

    Jim.........
     

  3. huntinhick

    huntinhick New Member

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    the only problem is that i only have the money for a rem 700 with the 1:12 twist rate what would the consequence be if i fired the 40 and higher pills out of the 1;12
     
  4. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Active Member

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    You SHOULD be able to shoot up to 55gr max bullets (.223) out of a 1-12. I say should because all rifles are different. The ammo cost for a .223 is going to be a LOT cheaper than a .204. Since you don't reload YET that would be a consideration. Or you could save your pennies and get the more expensive model.
     
  5. Redarrow18

    Redarrow18 New Member

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    do you hunt larger game than varmint?
     
  6. huntinhick

    huntinhick New Member

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    well this will be an all around rifle im not quite sure if it would be humane to chunk suck a small round at a deer, and im unsure about the laws on the .204 but i would consider it for one reason i dont hunt for trophy or a rack so i dont shoot for chests im more of an ear or eye guy drop them where they stand still i would be very reluctant to use it on large game, in all honesty i have a major beaver problem at the lake at my house they seem to like to burrow in the dam that keeps water from flooding a neighborhood
     
  7. huntinhick

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    also it would be a range gun accuracy is a must thats why im going with the base model for a m40a1 ,3 ,5, also seldom coyote and fox hunter
     
  8. nwrednk

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    I would vote for the .223 rem...

    As availability & affordability reign supreme above most rifle cartriges. Imho it
    is too small for most of the game I hunt, but the flat shooting performance of
    the .223 even works great when used with a Thompson/Contender pistol! It
    can be a great deer round with the right bullet @ long range...but in close you
    might have the same problem I did with a 150gr .308 bullet that passed thru
    a deer w/o expanding. The deer "did not know it was dead yet", & attacked
    me until it was about 25 feet away was put-down by a head shot! :eek:
     
  9. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I personally with go with 223 since you aren't reloading. The 223 will do everything the 204 will do and then some. The 204 might be faster and a little flatter but in the ranges you're talking about you won't see it.
     
  10. huntinhick

    huntinhick New Member

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    with the .223 would it be a good idea to go with the 1;12 or try to save for the tighter twist
     
  11. Squirrel_Slayer

    Squirrel_Slayer New Member

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    Just my two cents, I don't think that I would shoot a .223 with anything less than a 1:10twist. Have had good luck shooting 50gr bullets out of a 1:10 twist 24" barrel on an AR, tagged a ground squirrel at 264 yards approximately, figured with a rangefinder back to the pick up truck that I was shooting out of.
     
  12. Squirrel_Slayer

    Squirrel_Slayer New Member

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    This of course is out of an AR, so the same rules may not apply being in that you are looking at a bolt gun. Have you considered a 22-250?
     
  13. amoroque

    amoroque New Member

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    Exactly what I was going to say. I love my 22-250
     
  14. Squirrel_Slayer

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    The only thing that I don't like about a 22-250 is that they buck just hard enough to get your eye out of line with your optics and you can't see the target varmint right at the point of impact.
     
  15. huntinhick

    huntinhick New Member

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    well the only problem with the 22-250 is that the ammo is so darn expensive, ive made up my mind with the .223, but i was talking to a few people i know and they said that the newer rem 700's arent as high performance as they used to be i want a sub moa group at 100 and would love to peg crows at 300, ive had some good results with my .17hmr my personal best with it is i dropped a crow at 450 through two cross winds, does anyone have any suggestions on this sort of a rifle .223 stainless bull barrel prefferably fluted, good accuracy is a must .75 moa is desired
     
  16. Squirrel_Slayer

    Squirrel_Slayer New Member

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    Look and see what Savage Arms has to offer, I know they make a bolt action .223 in several models. My father has several Savages and cannot be any happier with them. The Accutrigger systems is super easy to adjust down to oz.s and the prices on their rifles is very reasonable. I would suggest that you save yourself some cash and dith the fluted barrel. The only thing that fluting does is give the barrel more surface are to cool, which would be pretty unnecessary on a bolt gun. Your rate if fire is not going to be that high.
     
  17. huntinhick

    huntinhick New Member

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    ive personally had a savage it was a straight shooter but small parts were built cheap
     
  18. Squirrel_Slayer

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    I think if you do some research and read some other threads on this site, that you will find many folks who think you'll find the same with a Remington but you pay more just for the name. If I remember correctly, Dillinger did a very in depth write up on Remington 700's in the general rifle discussion room, you may wanna check it out.
     
  19. huntinhick

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    i did notice that savage has a twist rate or 1;9 and 1;7 on thier .223 i like the sound of that once i get my money together i may just pick one up im looking for around a 24-26" stainless bull barrel accutrigger and hopefully an accustock
     
  20. Squirrel_Slayer

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    There you go, 1:9 twist rate will put you at a bullet weight around 60 grains or so, plenty hefty enough to be accurate at the ranges you spoke of, and probably save yourself some cash while you are at it.