Need an ASSIST

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by mikeb82301, Jun 26, 2007.

  1. mikeb82301

    mikeb82301 New Member

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    Hi - newbie here, but not new to C&R's. However, I ran into one that I can't figure out. It seems to be a 7.62x39 weapon, with a detachable box magazine, and a bolt carrier much like an SKS, but it aint no SKS! There is no gas port/operating rod on top of the barrel - rather it seems to be blowback operated, using a piston & operating system that seems only to dislodge the fired casing anough for the blowback to take over. This system actually wraps around the barrel. The bolt itself appears to work by pushing the round nearly into the chamber, then "clamping down" on the round via a jaw-like plate on the top of the bolt, operated by a fairly lightweight U-shaped spring.

    Takedown is similar to an SKS, but there is no latch to turn and release - one simply pushes the upper bolt housing all the way forward and lifts up, releasing the recoil spring. The upper forearm cover is held in place by a pair of spring-loaded catches on either side of the weapon, just ahead of the front sight.

    The front sight is NOT hooded, and the rear sight elevator graduates up to 900 meters.

    The ONLY markings on it are : she
    007 56
    Serial Number starts G68, and has 4 more numbers after the 8


    Anybody know what the hell this thing is ???

    UPDATE - 06/29/2007 : 4 Pictures appear following
     
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  2. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Need an assist?

    Mike, RON L here = SERESURPLUS


    Thier are a few rifles I think it could be,. Like the Egyptian Rasid, can you post a PIC? That sure would help and I'm sure we cpould get ya set on what it is!
     

  3. mikeb82301

    mikeb82301 New Member

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    IMG_1578.jpg Ron -

    Thanks for the offer of your knowledge. I'm attaching 4 images - hope that they are useful
     
  4. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    HELLO


    RON L Here = SERESURPLUS


    I now see the pic, I knowm what you have!


    What you have is a CZ-52 Rifle, it was chambered in a crazy caliber like 7.62X45 or so, some were converted to use 7.62X39, I've handled one in the old caliber at a show, never fired one! I heard from those that have owned themn, that they (Like most Check weapons) are well made and shoot well!



    Sorry it took me a while to respond, I was busy with life and all that other silly stuff!



    Ask anything ya like, we will do what we can to help!


    OH and in 85% condition, as the one for sale was, he was asking $250.00, at a show a year ago!




    RON L
     
  5. BLS33

    BLS33 New Member Supporter

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    Yep Ron is on the money, if it shoots the 7.62x45 it is a 52. However if it was rechambered or originally chambered in the far more popular and available 7.62x39 it would have been re-designated as a CZ 52/57.

    Edit: I think some may have been converted to .308 as well, maybe someone can verify?
     
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  6. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Need an assist!

    Bls33/ALL

    RON L here = SERESURPLUS


    Thanks on the Assist, as well! I did remeber that the caliber was that funny one, but thanks on the Designation of the 7.62X39 re-chambered model! That I didn't recal! In the end, he needs to Look with a 7.62X39 shell (As It's more common) and see if that fits the magazine and chamber, or ask a "smith" to do a chamber cast, so he can determine the correct caliber?


    That way, he can decide if he has a shooter in 7.62X39 or a hall hanger, as I'm sure that older ammo is tough to get? I've never seen it for sale, other than short notes with the sales of them Navy arms did 12 years ago?





    RON L
     
  7. BLS33

    BLS33 New Member Supporter

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    Yeah the 7.62x45 was a weird choice to go with for the original chambering, I haven't seen any of that for sale either.
     
  8. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Thanks on the assist?

    BLS33

    RON L here = SERESURPLUS

    Yea, you got that right, it ws a crazy caliber, I know navy Arms imported tons of these carbines, as well as some limited ammo, but once Navy Arms stopped importing them, so went the ammunition, I hope his is in 7.62X39. It felt like and handled like it was a well made little item and in a common caliber it was probably a good shooter? All I got to do was handle one, never fire it? A dealer at a loal show had some time back, in a rack, in the back? No, not trying to rhyme, just came out that way? LOL




    RON L
     
  9. mikeb82301

    mikeb82301 New Member

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    Ron-
    Thanks so much for the reply and the ID - I s'pose my next step will be (Like you said) to hang it or bang it - once I figure out what ammo it actually eats.
    I've been able to drop a 7.62 x 39 FULLY into the chamber - in fact, I had to push it back out with a claening rod, since the bolt could not grab it.

    Mike b
     
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    mikeb82301 New Member

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    BLS -

    A thanks to you as well for your contribution to resolving my dilemma. I sincerely appreciate the effort.

    Mike b
     
  11. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Need an assist?

    Mike B



    RON L here = SERESURPLUS


    Hey, No problem at all on the assist, thats what we here on the site are here for, right? I'd want you to help me, if I had one that stumped me, as well? OH OH, If you did try to set a 7.62X39 round in the chamber and it did not pick it up, or extract it, I'm betting yours is in the 7.62X45 caliber? Not to worry yet, I'd try (Carefully and outside or at a range, pointed in a safe direction), to feed one if it will fit from the magazine? Will it fit from the top, into the mag? Does the bolt close all the way? I'm thinking you said it did not? All signs of wrong caliber and or some serious bolt Problems! Take your time, be carefull, and even if ya find it is in the old caliber, it is collectable, or as you said, Looks great on the wall?
     
  12. mikeb82301

    mikeb82301 New Member

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    Hi, Ron.
    I have found a source for the ammo, and am inquiring about getting 100 rounds (their smallest lot) to see if it feeds/fits. If there is a difference in the thickness of the base of the cartridge between the 7.62x45 vs. the 7.62x39, that may explain the feeding issue - as I had indicated in my original thread, as the round chambers, the top part of the bolt clamps down on the base of the round, so I imagine that the rim dimensions are fairly critical. Should it prove out that the 7.62 x 45 actually works, I really would like to fire this weapon. Many of the articles I have come across give it very high praises, and I'm just the kind of guy who PREFERS shooters to viewers. That being said, I also like to stay in good health.

    What really surprises me about the weapon is the condition of the bore - the rifling is still amazingly square-shoudered! From the condition of the bolt face, I would guess it had been fired very little. I have done considerable research on it via the 'net, and have located many of them selling between 350 and 450 bucks. Some were apparently camo-coated, some were over-coated in a black substance that resembles the "Rhino Lining" that is sprayed onto the beds of pickup trucks. Whatever the coating - or lack thereof - it seems that the value remains within that range.

    I will be more than pleased to assist you in any way that I am able. I don't know everything, but I do know a few things, and am a fervent researcher.

    Again, thanks for all of your help.

    Mike b
     
  13. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Need an assist?

    Mike


    RON L here = SERESURLUS


    Glad to hear all is well with your on going deal! These were plentifull years back, as I had said Navy Arms imported a ton of them, But where in the devil did you find a source for amo in that caliber now? I mean, I'm impressed it's tought to find in any quantity? I hope it works out for ya, I really hope it's really in 7.62X39, with some minor bolt issues, but the way life is, it will be in the hader to find caliber? Sems to work out that way! Let us know at any rate and keep in touch! Old guns are fun, new guns are gun, HELL, MOST GUNS ARE FUN! THere, I said it? LOL Happy 4TH to you and all in the group!