Need alittle info...

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by RDJr, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. RDJr

    RDJr New Member

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    I wanted to start long range shooting and hunting, but I'm not sure as to which kind of setup to get. Here are a few things I'm looking for

    -Need it for big game hunting
    -My goal is 600+ yards with targets
    - Price Range is > 2000.

    Now I was looking for the Remington 700, but I don't know what caliber. I'm confused b/w .308, .30-60, or a 7mm I read on some websites that a .308 is good, and others that its not. I was looking into either .30-60, or 7mm, are these good enough to get to my goal. I'm basically looking for a point in the right direction, bc i'm clueless when it comes to rifles. I know that its not just point and shoot, I"m reading a few books that should help me out with the numbers that go into the shot. I would also need a scope , with that i know the more money the better. Any input would be great or points would be great.

    Thanks,
    Ray
     
  2. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    Ray, a popular school of thought is to spend as much on the optics as you spend on the firearm. For 2 G's you can put together a pretty nice firearm/scope combination.

    You need to be more specific on what big game species you intend to hunt.

    Also, 600 yards is a good poke in anybodies book. With these long-range shots you need to practice a lot and also you need to know how to judge the wind because the wind plays a big factor in long-range shooting. This practice is critical for clean ethical kills. We as sportsmen and sportswomen owe this to the game we pursue.
     

  3. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    In my opinion, it's going to take a while to get out to 600+ yards, both in terms of equipment and experience. You can put $2K into a rifle that will get you out that far.....but do you have the knowledge and/or experience to do it?

    Lots of people in this forum will help you with the knowledge part, and even give you their opinions on the equipment. But the experience part.....well, that's up to you! :)
     
  4. jpattersonnh

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    I agree w/ Joe. There are so many threads here for "long range" you should search. There are too many variables to give a strait answer. I have a .308 that I used for F-class, but have reworked the rifle for more practical purposes. A long range hunter and a long range target gun have very little in common. JP
     
  5. RDJr

    RDJr New Member

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    To answer Joe's question, I'm looking to hunt whitetail, bear, and elk. I know that its not just the equipment, and that you can have a rifle that can get you 1000 yards. If you dont have the expericence you can't hit it. The reason I ask for caliber option is b/c I dont want to buy a .308, then realize I need to upgrade the firearm to make it a good distance, I would like to have something out of the box that can make it. I figured this if i have the ability to hit something at 600 yards then shooting game at 150 to 200 yards would be no problem.
     
  6. 270 win

    270 win New Member

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    I would say either the 338 win mag, or the 7mm remington mag
     
  7. jpattersonnh

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    So explain what BC is! What is SC? Game at 200? Bear? what kind? I am willing to help, but what do you realistically want to do? Forget the Rifle, your scope is the bigger issue. Gee none mentioned. Hitting a piece of paper at a range is very different than hitting a living, breathing animal.
     
  8. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    You say that because you really have no idea what you or the OP is talking about.

    Sounds like some one has been watching youtube a little to much. Why do you want to target shoot at animals? I am all for long range shooting, but I firmly believe that if you are shooting deer bear or elk at distance greater than 400 yards your not only an idiot your not a very smart idiot as well.....

    Now I am not calling anyone an idiot. That is just the way I feel about the subject of long range hunting.

    I know plenty of guys that are in the VHA (Varmint Hunters Assoc.) 1000 yard club. These guys are spending more money on a scope than you want to spend on an entire set up.

    They are all also shooting custom rigs with custom actions barrels stocks and they load all year long for one trip to the Prairie Dog fields. These guys are almost as bad if not worse that bench rest shooters I have seen them throw out a barrel after 200 rounds if it is not shooting they way they want it to. That barrel may shoot .375" groups but that is too big or some of these guys.

    Also just because someone says LONG RANGE it doesn't mean the word MAGNUM has to be a part of the name.

    I am not a super long range shooter or hunter. I have shot varmints at what I believe long distance. Longs kill thus far has been 398 yards on a ground squirrel. I have a few ground hogs that checked out at 250 to 300 yards.

    Think about it like this. A 175gr 308 caliber bullet leaving the barrel at 2900 fps will take 1 second to travel out to 725 yards. Where is the deer you just shot at going to be in 1 second. You have no idea. 1 second doesn't sound like a lot of time but, what is someone close to the deer shoots as well bang you just gut shot a deer at 725 yards WOO HOO there is something to be proud of. At 1000 yards you get a little over 1.6 seconds for that deer to move. I am not sure how many deer you have seen but most of the ones I have seen don't stand still very long.
     
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  9. jpattersonnh

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  10. RDJr

    RDJr New Member

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    No idea what BC or SC is. Realistcally I would like a setup to be able to kill game at any distance or hit a target at any distance. I now understand a scope is more important, so thank you. BUt how is hitting a piece of paper different then killing an animal. When you practice shooting for hunting purposes, you use a piece of paper with a bulls-eye on it, when you shoot the animals sweet spot thats were you would place the bulls-eye. How is that different?
     
  11. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    If you have to ask that question then maybe you should stick to airsoft and paintball with your homies.

    An animal is a living breathing being that feels pain. A sheet of paper doesn't feel crap. It is the moral obligation of every hunter to make the animals death as painless as possible. That means one shot one kill DRT (Dead Right There) Not Lets shoot a deer 700 yards away and film it suffering while we jump around like a bunch of (To Quote Blazing Saddles) Kansas City Faggots. If you can't tell the difference between a paper target and a live animals maybe you should not be hunting.
     
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  12. lonyaeger

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    Does your adrenalin rush and your heart beat out of your chest when you shoot a piece of paper? Does the piece of paper move? Do your hands quiver? Do you have to negotiate obstacles to shoot at your piece of paper?

    Some day, after you have some experience, you'll be able to answer those questions to yourself.
     
  13. RDJr

    RDJr New Member

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    kool thanks for the info, I can shoot just not a rifle. I'm a shotgun guy, i can hit 25 out of 25 in trap one set after the other and I go waterfowl hunting every weekend during season. But thats all with a shotgun, I went hunting with a .30-30 for deer and the deer was 50 yards max. Cattango30, I never said I would shoot a deer from 700 yards, I'm smarter then that. my first post said 600 yards with targets. I'm a very big fan of the one shot one kill, when i go bow hunting i'm no more then 20 yards from the deer, and i would never shoot a deer from no more then 200 yards with a rifle. I was just looking for some info on a set-up that can reach out to 600 yards and that i can use when i go hunting.
     
  14. ThorsHammer

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    The difference between a stationary target and a game animal? I think I can take that one on without even having hunted in twenty years.

    A stationary range target is at a known distance, in controlled conditions, and it also does not have three dimensions. It's flat, it's always the same size, the same color, the same light conditions, and it's NEVER blocked or hidden behind foliage or natural obstructions.

    A game animal can be in any number of positions as you line up your shot. When you take that shot at a 100 yards, you might be able to put your bullet in a pretty close group, even with some wind affecting your shot.

    Take that shot out to 600 yards, and you have almost a second or more to account for in bullet travel time. I would say that your chance to hit increases almost exponentially for every 100-200 yards. I am sure that an expert marksman has way more room to play with. But me, I would say that the difficulty does increase that way.

    Are you willing to take that chance? Are you willing to leave a game animal wounded half a mile out without a chance at a second shot? If so, I suggest you seriously consider sticking to target shooting. Hunting is not a game. Wounding an animal with a shot you are not entirely certain you can make (100% of the time, no matter the conditions) are in most cases illegal. A game animal is not a target. It is a living creature that feels fear, pain, and it WILL run if you do not kill it right out.
     
  15. RDJr

    RDJr New Member

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    Thanks for the info, but I'm NEVER going to shoot a deer or any type of game from a 600 yard distance. I posted twice that I was shooting targets at up to 600 yards and game at no more then 150 to 200 yards. I just wanted info on a rifle that I would be able to use for both situations.
     
  16. ThorsHammer

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    OK! Sorry for the harsh answer bud. I was just making sure! Practicing at 600 yards sounds like a good idea. If you can be accurate at that range and in intermediate ranges such as 200-400 yards you should soon become proficient. I suppose I stepped out of line a bit there. My apologies. :eek:
     
  17. RDJr

    RDJr New Member

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    No apologies necessary, I understand 100%.
     
  18. stalkingbear

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    Based on what I've read you'll be good with almost any of the larger non-magnum rounds. I would suggest you stick with something like the good ol 30-06, .308, .270,.280, 7mm08. They have enough oomph to cleanly dispatch game animals out to 200 yards provided you do your part.

    Where you're going to run into trouble is it takes a vastly different scope to hunt out to 200 yards as it does to target shoot out to 600. For hunting a 3x-9x-40mm will be perfect for hunting but you'll want a lot more power to target shoot at long range. 1 solution would be to buy 2 scopes mounted in their own rings with detachable mounts and zero them both in. Another solution would be to buy something like a Nikon monarch 4x-16x. Turn it down to 4x for hunting and crank up for long distance target shooting.

    Will you plan on reloading? It's almost mandatory that you'll need to reload. You'll also need 2 different loads-1 for hunting with a controlled expansion bullet and the other something like a match bullet with a high ballistic coefficient. Don't make the mistake of trying to hunt with a match bullet.
     
  19. RDJr

    RDJr New Member

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    Thank you very much, so I need a good quality rifle, I would prob get a variable scope, only because it seems easier. Now what exactly goes into reloading are there set mixtures/builds or is it trial and error.
     
  20. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    SO were you lying here:

    or

    Are you lying here:
    It is this kind of double talk that pisses me off. You asked about Long range shooting AND Hunting. Not Long range target shooting and a short range hunting stick.

    Now you can't set up a rifle for long range shots and use it for hunting at 100 to 200 yards. These are just two very different set ups for a rifle and for shooting.