Need a little help here.

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by NymphoGnome, May 28, 2010.

  1. NymphoGnome

    NymphoGnome New Member

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    Okay so after long consideration, I have decided A shotgun would be best for my next firearm. This is after I have thought about several different semi-auto and revolver pistols (that felt redundant).

    So now that I have decided to go with a shotgun, what is the best for me? I know you have to go off of what feels best, but that will come when Im actually ready to buy. Im just going to supply some information about what I am looking for then you all can guide me with what will work best for me.

    okay so here it is.
    1. I am looking for something under $400.

    2. I want something I can go Turkey hunting, Skeet shooting, and possibly deer hunting.... also if in case a situation like this may occur home security.

    3. I don't know if I want a 12 gauge or a 20 gauge. I am worried the 12 gauge may be too strong for me, but I am worried the 20 gauge might not be strong enough to hunt.

    4. I can't decide on Pump, auto, or double barrel.
     
  2. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Best choice would be a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 with multiple barrels. Deer hunting will require slugs with or without a rifled barrel, skeet and turkey need different loads, choke and barrel length. Lots of options but getting it all for $400 will be a challenge.
    Something like this Mossy at Buds might work for you.


    Mossberg 54264 500 COMBO 12 28AC/24RSRB for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $316.00
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  3. mcramer

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    I would go with either a mossberg 500, or a remington 870. they are pretty close in price at about $270(rem870 via academy) and $280(moss500 via academy).
    i have a maverick 88. its the same gun as the 500, just different furniture. i use it for skeet and all kinds of birds. i havent shot buckshot or slugs through it yet, just for the lack of wanting to.
    both are excellent guns for the price. both are also pumps. if you want an auto, beneli has a standard nove for right around 400. i havent lookes at too many doubles, but i was looking into Yildez, and they go for about 400 also. personally, i dont think a double would make a very good deer or turkey gun.
    hope this helped.
     
  4. NymphoGnome

    NymphoGnome New Member

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    Okay so I am looking at the Mossberg 500, I will mark deer hunting off the list, I'll be new to hunting so I think turkey would be great to start with.

    So now do I choose the 20 gauge or 12 gauge? Recoil is my main concern.
     
  5. mcramer

    mcramer New Member

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    I would say 12ga, thats just me.

    12ga pump has a bit of a kick to it. It also depends on the load you shoot too. Regular dove/field loads are not bad at all with recoil. most turkey loads have more punch behind them, as do duck loads, buckshot, and slugs.
    once you start shooting it youll get used to it. just keep it tucked in your shoulder nice and tight. I dont think its that bad.

    I hope this doesnt scare you from buying the right gun if a 12 ga is it.
    you might want to try and test fire both gauges with a few different loads to really find out what will suit you.
     
  6. NymphoGnome

    NymphoGnome New Member

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    I just want to be sure it isn't going to dislocate my shoulder, lol.
     
  7. mcramer

    mcramer New Member

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    i dont think its that bad. ive shot many different loads, like a double reload, and just random lead reloads, and those hurt, but i dont think its enough to dislocate anything.

    if you keep it firmly in your shoulder so your body will absorb the recoil you'll be fine. if its not firm, then as you shoot, the gun will kick back and it will feel like some one punched you on the shoulder. i honestly dont think its bad at all. i think youll be fine with a 12ga. but its your call
     
  8. NymphoGnome

    NymphoGnome New Member

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    Is the Recoil of a 12 gauge weaker, as strong or stronger than the recoil of .270 rifle? I got to feel the power of a .270 today, so if it's the same as it's all good, weaker even better!
     
    Last edited: May 29, 2010
  9. Gordo323

    Gordo323 New Member

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    Yeah depends on what gun you shoot, some of the semi-autos aren't so bad, but in my opinion the 12 ga. recoil is more than the .270.
    My old man first let me shoot his Stevens Model 311A side by side when I was 9 years old (BTW I'm 51 now), I still have the gun, but if I go and shoot a 100 rounds at clay pigeons, it leaves my shoulder a little sore. But look into .20 gauges if you are worried about recoil!:)
     
  10. DrumJunkie

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    The Mossberg 835 is great for turkey and depending on the choke skeet and other fun things. But you do not have the capacity that some like for HD stuff. 3-5 rounds are all your getting in there depending if the plug is on or not. At least without a mag extension.

    You'll have a hell of a time filling all your needs with one shot gun though. Especially at the money your looking to put down. Any wilol more than likely need another barrel for slugs and basrrel length can be a big factor in HD situations as well as sporting things like skeet.

    The upshot is Remington 870, 870 Express, And the Mossberg 835 come in pretty reasonable. But to get it doing what most want to do with more than one weapon is going to jack cost a bit. I used to see the Mossberg 500's (another great shot gun) that had both barrels but you don't see them as much these days it seems.
     
  11. sigp250

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    I totally agree with you. 11 million 870 owners can't all be wrong. The Mossberg 500 is an equal. Only a turkey choke is needed. 00 buckshot for SD. Deer slugs? The 870 is so inexpensive why not just buy a starter rifle and scope for deer. A combo would not be my first choice.
     
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  12. ScottA

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    There are many states which do not allow rifles for deer hunting, shotguns only. Yep, it's a stupid law.
     
  13. sigp250

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    Scott, what states, Iowa?
    The combo shotgun with a rifle barrel is a pump rifle in any state where rifle are not allowed for hunting. I'm not an avid hunter myself but several of my friends do hunt with a rifles. There are several white tail deer rifle hunters in Missouri not to mention other small fur bearing and varmints. Serious hunters I know plan trips to other states to hunt specifically for deer,elk, bear or whatever. In Southern Illinois, crossbow deer hunting is very popular.
     
  14. Jpyle

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    Just for clarity the gun shown above is a 12ga with a CB and rifled barrel for slugs, not a rifle barrel. It's always a 12 ga.
     
  15. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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  16. sigp250

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    Thanks, I should have known that. I'm interested in shotguns and rifles but not much of a hunter. :eek:
     
  17. sigp250

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    I guess that explains the crossbow hunters in IL. They always said they bow hunted because it was more of a challenge.

    I lived in I Iowa for 5 years. We pheasant hunted on farms. We would have our limit by 10:00 am and nothing to do the rest of the day. I know one of the guys I was hunting with had a rifle because he went back in the field and shot a red fox running from the barn. That was back in the early 80's. Maybe it was legal back then. These were also large farms, around 2,000 acres.
    Iowa was a great place to live as I remember. I sure can't understand the firearm laws as they are now.
     
  18. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    You can use rifle on varmints here, and fox qualifies as well. They specifically prohibit them for deer however.
     
  19. NymphoGnome

    NymphoGnome New Member

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    Okay so maybe a 20 gauge is the way to go maybe a 12 gauge. I can handle recoil, I am just curious about the punch it will give. If you can go turkey hunting and skeet shooting with a 20 gauge I'd be happy, I don't think I would be comfortable enough using a shotgun for deer hunting, I can just go hunting with my mom's friend's husband, the owner of the .270.
    What exactly is a turkey choke?
     
  20. Jpyle

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    A turkey is a big assed bird that is wily enough not to just walk up on you hiding in the woods. So you need a heavy shot that will work from a distance, trouble is heavy shot tends to spread out over said distance. The solution is to narrow the path the shot exits the muzzle of the gun...choke it if you will. A turkey choke is simply a choke designed for the shot weight and tight pattern required for turkey hunting. BTW, a very tight choke increases the felt recoil of the shot as the full weight of the shot is now passing through a narrower opening.

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