Need .308 suggestions

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by TheDaggle, Jan 30, 2011.

  1. TheDaggle

    TheDaggle Member

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    Picking up a new rifle on the 8th, and I need ammo advice.
    Rifle is a Savage 10fcp in .308. Seller says 150gr worked fine out to about 300yds, but 168+ held groups far better past there. Purported accuracy potential of the gun is 1/3MOA at 300yds :eek::D.
    Probably going to go out and pop our cherry sometime the weekend following my pickup, and I'd like to find a round that will do the rifle justice, but preferrably not cost as much as the gun. I don't necessarily need top-notch competition ammo, as it is unlikely the shooter will be able to approach what the rifle OR the ammo are really capable of. I also don't really need heavier bullets, as its unlikely I'll get to shoot far past 100yds without ample scouting. Despite the limitations of my ability and my locale, I do want a round I can count on not to exacerbate my mistakes and impact as accurately as I send it.
    TL;DR: .308 ammo with good quality/price ratio.
     
  2. fixxer

    fixxer New Member

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    Hi thedaggle, My personal favorite factory loaded ammo (with reusable brass) is Prvi Partizan. It's Serbian ammo but it is uber consistent and reloadable. Even less expensive than that is steel cased Silver Bear. Very good for the money but non-reloadable. I keep repeating "reloadable" because it looks like you just picked up a rifle that is worthy of working up hand loads there! I have a Rem 700 SPS AAC SD that I just picked up last month so I will be going a similar route. Just waiting for the fundage to return so I can scope the thing with a good MOA/MOA reticle scope and quality 10-20MOA riser mount. When you get into handloading, the reading I have been doing points to Sierra Match King...
     

  3. TheDaggle

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    I've seen some great prices in Prvi, too. The great prices actually make me a little reticent about the bullets. How high can quality be at 68 cents a round? Well, what the heck! I'm sure the ammo's better than I am, so how will I know the difference? :D
     
  4. fixxer

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    Also what I was thinking.

    That was pretty much how my experience with Prvi started too. I bought some Prvi for outdoor shooting of my FNAR (with Leup MK4 CQB red dot) and the performance shocked me out to 200 yards (firing range max). So my Brother in law bought some for the 7mm Mag I gave him (he helped us move and had his eye on my Remmy 710 for boar hunting). Anyway, we went to the indoor 100yd range in Wichita, KS with it and were absolutely floored when it was keyholing at 100yards on my Lead Sled. He was sighting in the rifle and the damn thing was grouping that tight when we were shooting groups of 3 and evaluting zero. That same Rem 710 was shooting somewhere around 2MOA for me on a bench with Win Silver Box last year (okay for cheaper ammo and my shooting ability). That convinced me so I bought up all the .308 Prvi I could find locally for about $15/Box. I have half a case of Silverbear .308 and .223 that is pretty good too. It's a little more consistant than Wolf, IMHO, which is still pretty good. I just have to trash the cases when I'm done though :-( If you were local I would recommend another favorite to try called Ram Precision. They are also inexpensive but really good ammo. Basically, they load Hornady Match and A-max bullets in their cases for a very good price here in Kansas. They don't do internet or small quantity sales though :-( I use them for my personal defense ammo. I get a box of 50 124gr 9mm loaded with Speer Gold Dots for about $18.00. That's about half what 50/rd Federal Personal Defense or SXT costs. I have some of their match ammo that I bought for this 700 but have not shot it yet since I need a scope. If you pick some Prvi up, let me know how it worked for you in that Savage. Very interesting Rifle, BTW. It was on my short list before I picked up the 700 AAC SD. I'd like to have one still. I'd like one of everything though.:rolleyes:
     
  5. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    I also have a Savage 10fcp. My buddy, who used to shoot for the military, loaded these for me:

    For reaching out and touching someone - 168 gr HPBT loaded with 48 gr. H4895, 2.755OAL, with CCI 250 Primer.

    For hunting - 165 Gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, 42 gr. IMR 4320, 2.800 OAL, CCI 250 Primer.

    I know that is no help with commercial ammo, but I would recommend staying away from MagTec ammo in this rifle.
     
  6. TheDaggle

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    Thanks, Dune. Copied and pasted.
    Given the price of ammo and the fact that I now have something that I'd like to shoot tighter than Minute Of Zombie, I think a loading setup is going to be my next investment.
     
  7. TheDaggle

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    I keep hearing the Federal Gold Match is hands-down the most accurate factory rifle ammo, but its looking to run me $32-35 a box, and I know I'm going to FEEL $1.34 flying down range every time I go bang :(
     
  8. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    Look here: The Hunting Shack, Inc. - 308 Winchester

    I've thought about these: HSM's Trophy Gold™ ammunition using Berger VLD bullets. Velocity: 2740 fps Barrel Length: 24"

    Bullet B.C.: 0.473 Recommended Twist: 1 in 13" $29.36


    Or these: HSM's Trophy Gold™ ammunition using Berger VLD bullets. Velocity: 2606 fps Barrel Length: 24"

    Bullet B.C.: 0.549 Recommended Twist: 1 in 12" $29.93
     
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  9. cpttango30

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    I would be looking at the Federal GMM 168gr or Black hills redbox 168gr Match ammo or if you want to stretch it out to a little further look at Black Hills redbox 175gr Match ammo. I know plenty of guys shooting F-Class with both federal and Black hills stuff and WINNING with it.
     
  10. fixxer

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    Yeah, I've heard really good things about it and the forementioned Blackhills. Another load that gets crazy good reviews is Bitterroot Valley. Unfortunately it all starts to get expensive in that accuracy range.
     
  11. Silvertip 44

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    Tango is right. If you want to shoot well, then get good ammo. Gold Medal Match 168 gr. or learn to load your own. You sorta get what you pay for in ammo too. Stay away from the steel cased crap.
     
  12. mrm14

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    The .300 Win Mag I have I usually shoot my own loads but I do shoot the Federal gold match as well as the Black Hills match ammo. I find that, at least for this rifle, it has been hard to beat the Black Hills stuff for factory loaded ammunition.

    I'd try out the Black Hills 175 gr. match ammunition for your .308 Win. I believe it's a little less than the Federal gold match as well.
     
  13. M14sRock

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    A friend of mine has a Savage 10 Police. He has no interest in handloading, so we tried about 25 varieties of factory ammo looking for a good one.

    The Black Hills 175gr was the hands down winner.

    FGGM is always a solid performer and CDNN sometimes sales it off for $18.99. The Prvi 168 is way better than the price would dictate, too.
     
  14. TheDaggle

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    Federal Gold Medal Match 168 grain: $19.95 - Ammunitiontogo.com
    Federal Gold Medal Match 175 grain: $23.99 - Midway

    These are the cheapest deals I've found. The black hills started at around $26.95 and went up. Does the seven grains make a $4 difference?

    edit: I may also grab a box of those 175gr BH as well, just to see if I'm good enough for the difference to be relevant.
     
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  15. M14sRock

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    The 168 is GTG to about 600. The 175 takes it out about 300 farther. Most guns shoot them about the same.
     
  16. rifleman55

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    You really should look into relading. It will save you a lot of money in the long run. Buy a quality reloading kit that has just about everything you need to get started except bullets, powder and primers. The IMR 4895 is hard to beat for a powder to get started with.
    Get an RCBS or Hornady single stage press kit, stay away from the Lee, even though much cheaper, a quality kit will last longer than you will.
    Any load wit the 168 Match bullets will be more accurate out at the 300 yard range. At 100 yards, just about any bullet will shoot pretty darn good from a Savage. No need for a boattail bullet until you get out past 100 yards, they offer no real advantage until you get to the longer ranges.

    As to accuracy, if the rifle is not shooting as well as you like, SavageGunsmithing does one heck of a good accuracy package.
    If he rebarrels the rifle, he guarentee's it will shoot .3", 5 shots at 100 yards with his recommended hand loads. Most of his rifles shoot far better than .3".
    He can accurize one with a stock barrel, but your groups will depend on how good the barrel is. He gets great accuracy gains even with the stock barrel.
    He holds the unofficial record at 3000 yards with one of his Savage rifles, 10 shots into less than 48" at 3000 yards, that having 24 feet of holdover. It was a match shoot, not NRA sponsored or it would have been an official record. The smith, Scott really makes the Savages and any kind of other rifle shoot like they have eyes.
    He did my rimfire Savage and it shoots in the .1" range, 5 @ 50.
    I'm going to give him do my Savage .308 shortly. He's a true Master Riflesmith. He has about a 3 month turn around time, much better than most.

    John K
     
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  17. mrm14

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    100, 200, 300 yards the 168 gr. will perform well, however, the 175's will net you somewhat tighter groups and will be much better further distance beyond.

    Wind will be a factor at 300 yards but not so much. Wind doesn't come into major play until about the 400 to 500 yard range in distance at least with my experience.

    As I like to develope my "scope dope" for one or two good loads, I don't like to change up my ammunition bullet grain weight too much as to make me have to have all this info for several different loads of ammo, but thats just me.
     
  18. fixxer

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    I totally agree. That's why I kept mentioning to police that brass!
    I totally disagree with that statement. I recently had a great Customer service experience with RCBS, (they gave me a free 10/10 scale part over the phone, no questions asked). But I have read tons of good stuff about the value of Lee presses. Anyway, this is veering off topic a little.
     
  19. rifleman55

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    Some of the lee presses are good, I was given a new 4 station lee turret press, their current one, and the shell holder cants when the shell goes into it, not good, also their powder measures that come in the kits are cheap and the scales are really junk.
    I prefer to advise people to buy quality, it will last the rest of their life.

    Just my 2 cents.

    John K