Necessary criterion?

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by BeyondTheBox, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    When purchasing a new handgun, or searching for something new to add to a collection, do you have particular things your guns must all have or be in order for you to consider them a viable contender?

    Mine:

    - Semi-auto
    - SA trigger
    - Manual hammer
    - LRHO slide lock
    - Manual safety
    - Onboard tooless takedown system
    - Windage adjustable rear sight
    - Single stack
     
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  2. JonM

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    has to function each time the trigger is pulled.
     

  3. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    SA or DA only (I don't like DA/SA)
    prefer steel but it's not a deal breaker.
    No tools takedown.
    Mag release by trigger guard (unless it's a revolver)
    Non adjustable, low snag or snag free sights.
    Manual safety (unless it's a revolver)
    The biggest deal breaker, deal maker: it MUST fit my hand.
    Calibers are negotiable, but I would prefer larger capacity for smaller calibers, or magnum in smaller calibers (ie, 6 shot .357 mag, or a minimum of ten 9mm)

    I won't go into capacity vs caliber arguments, this is just what feels right to me.

    I'm very cozy with my 7 shots of .45's.

    Edit: what Jon said too.
     
  4. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    If it feels good in my hand, shoots well, and is well made, I want it. I don't really care about SA VS DA, or what kind of safety it has on it. I can learn to adapt to those things. I care a little about the sights, but unless I intend on shooting competition with it, or carrying it, I won't put too much though into them. For the most part, they can be changed if I decide I don't like them.
     
  5. KG7IL

    KG7IL Active Member

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    Browning Design
    Good Trigger
    Large Caliber
    Single Stack
     
  6. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    You just reminded me of one I forgot, single stack mag!!! Thanks.

    What's a bad trigger feel like? I read all the time about people getting trigger jobs, but don't understand what it is exactly is being done. Does it have to do with pull weight or length? Maybe tension consistency?
     
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  7. BeyondTheBox

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    What is it about some that this "fit" thing is such a big deal? Is it comfort? Are your hands just really small and make it hard to find one that fits? I've never handled a gun that didn't "fit" well, other than every single revolver and derringer I've held, but that's just due to lack of comfort because of awkwardly curved handles. Interesting for sure.
     
  8. jjfuller1

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    it must go bang everytime, it must be comfortable. have a decent trigger. and i have to like/need it. (i NEED every gun ever made)
     
  9. KG7IL

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    SW 469 is a dbl stack with a wrap around grip.
    Gives me a much control as holding a beer bottle.

    If fact as much control as a case of beer bottles.

    Even quiting years ago, hasn't made the grip any better.
     
  10. SatoriNoir

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    Having the grip "fit" your hand is extremely important because it directly affects your trigger reach, and in turn can be the single factor that is keeping you from shooting accurately.

    Having the right gun fitted to your hand is more of a big deal for people with rather small hands, myself included.

    Imagine someone with thinner and shorter reach fingers trying to wield a N-Frame (or for a more exaggerated example, a X-Frame) S&W revolver. It is general consensus that the pivot line on your first joint of the index trigger finger should rest perfectly in the middle of the trigger blade of any gun you are using. On a larger gun like a N-Frame that inevitably has larger grips, someone with smaller hands like me will only be able to reach the trigger with just the tip of their index finger, which is a lot harder to pull the trigger with the weak flat pad of the fingertip.

    This is opposed to having it "fit perfectly" with more leverage on the index joint, which could just mean simply finding thinner or smaller grips to allow you to get that optimum reach.
     
  11. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Finding them... :(
     
  12. Old_Crow

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    I have enough guns. Death, disaster or divorce might motivate me to buy a gun.
     
  13. BeyondTheBox

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    Okay, yeah I've got long skinny everything, so reach has never been an issue. That answers my question. Thanks.
     
  14. trip286

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    For me, fit is important because I do have fairly small hands for a man. I wear a men's medium work glove, and it's slightly loose. I can squeeze my hands into a small if I don't mind not being able to move it.

    The funny thing is, many large guns fit my hands fine, so long as the grip is shaped just right. Sigs fit my hands best so far that I've found, but the higher bore axis and higher price tag scare me off from owning one. 1911 is almost perfect. A little fat, but I've gotten used to it, and Texas is working on some super sexy grips for me, thin profile. The arched MSH helps a lot for me. Along with a nearly perfect bore axis to control the recoil perfectly.

    I also have smallish feet, at a size 10.5. And no, there's no correlation there. Everything else is fine, size 36X34 pants (yeah, I could lose a couple pounds), 7.5 hat, and uh... other stuff is normal size too.
     
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  15. BeyondTheBox

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    10.5 isnt small at all. I wear 11 and medium gloves are a slight bit small lengthwise but large are too big widthwise.
     
  16. SatoriNoir

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    FWIW, I wear size 10 shoes and size small gloves.

    For people with long fingers or big hands, the only problem with proper fitting is possible interference when using a gun that feels too small when in your hand. When the gun is too small for someone with big paws, it can cause the user's index finger to come into contact with your thumb upon trigger pull. This small contact with your thumb from having too small of a grip will actually throw off your accuracy.

    For someone with big hands though, it's a much simpler solution of getting bigger grips. Sometime small-handed folks may find themselves SOL if they find it is impossible to get factory smaller grips for a gun they are enamored with (because factory small grips might not exist or because the ergonomics of the frame favors larger hands)
     
  17. BeyondTheBox

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    With the correct grip your thumbs should be nowhere near the trigger finger, no matter where in the trigger pull it is.
     
  18. SatoriNoir

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    Precisely. If you have the wrong grips that are too small for your hand, your thumb will get in the way of a smooth & proper trigger return.
     
  19. Bob Wright

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    As for me, it has to be a single action revovler. If the price is right, condition and other features don't matter. It does have to have promise of being built into something I want. It has to have eye appeal to me.

    American made, Italian made, and Swiss made guns have that eye appeal, German revolvers don't.

    The thing about single actions is that parts are generally so readily available that even near-wrecks can be transformed into very good serviceable guns.

    Bob Wright
     
  20. Bob Wright

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    Here's an Uberti Flat Top in .45 Colt I recently found in a gun shop, and the price was right. I didn't like the base pin screw and the button head ejector rod. A call to Brownell's and the parts arrived in three days, and I installed in about fifteen minutes.

    [​IMG]

    And yes, I actually was at ten yards distance.

    Bob Wright