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Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by fmj, Nov 14, 2011.
House Vote Coming Soon on CCW Reciprocity Bill - Gun Owners Of America
What are the chances it will pass the Senate?
And are there any repercussions for insane states like New York that make it difficult, expensive and time-consuming to get a permit? Probably not, but one can hope.
I really dont like the idea of CCW getting into the hands of the fed...IMHO it should remain a state thing.
I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand I don't like the idea of the Feds being involved in just about anything. On the other hand I believe that part the requirements of a state to be part of the United States is that it should abide by the Constitution. States that don't allow citizens of the US to carry firearms are violating that contract. Basically, they should abide by it or leave. I believe any permit at all is a violation of the Constitution but that's a fight for another time I think.
I have mixed feelings as well. The Feds shouldn't have anything to do with it, it is a State's rights issue. However, neither the State or the Fed should have any say whatsoever in the first place. The Second Amendment should override them both.
I agree, of course. But until 2A is formally incorporated (again) against the states and the issue of state permits is forced, this will continue. While I would like to see all requirements for permits abolished, at least demanding reciprocity as they do driver's licenses makes sense.
GOA brings up some valid concerns
House Vote Coming Soon on CCW Reciprocity Bill - Gun Owners Of America
The gun issue, much like the repeal of Obama Care, isn't going anywhere until you get a Republican takeover of the Senate, and a Republican President. Remember, you would still have the Assault Weapons Ban if the Republicans had not captured control of the House and Senate. In 2004 they never let it come up for a vote. If the Democrats had been in charge it would have. Then it would have been permanent.
Do they do that with driver's licenses? Can't remember where but it seems like I heard somewhere that that was not a Federal thing, just cooperation between the states. I could be wrong though.
It's in the 14th Amendment. A state has to recognize another state's issued documents i.e. Birth Cert, drivers license, Marriage License etc. But of course they have found away around a Concealed Carry Permit.
Not true. Richard Lugar a Republican out of Indiana called for the renewal of the Assault weapons ban, G.W. thought the ban should be extended as well.
Q: Do you support the Brady Bill?
BUSH: Law-abiding citizens ought to be allowed to protect their families. We ought to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have them. That’s why I’m for instant background checks at gun shows. I’m for trigger locks. I think we ought to raise the age at which juveniles can have a gun. I also believe that the best way to make sure that we keep our society safe is to hold people accountable for breaking the law. If we catch somebody illegally selling a gun, there needs to be a consequence. The federal government can help.
Saying America is “still wrestling with the lessons of Columbine,” Bush today called for tougher enforcement of gun laws and a greater emphasis on character education as the way to promote school safety. “Today is the sad anniversary of a terrible tragedy-a tragedy that shattered our sense of safety and security-a tragedy that hit home for every parent and every child and every school in America,” Bush said. “A year later, America is still wrestling with the lessons of Columbine,” Bush continued. “Strict enforcement of tough laws is important. But ultimately, the safety of our children depends on more than laws. It depends on the values we teach them and the kind of culture we create and condone.”
Bush has said he would sign a law requiring trigger locks with handgun sales but wouldn’t push such legislation. Bush has endorsed outlawing the import of certain high-capacity ammunition clips. Bush also would raise the legal age for handgun purchases from 18 to 21.
These are just a few from the former President.
You will always have antis. What a "former President" says doesn't mean a thing. Anymore than what a current one cannot do. Don't get all worked up and drift from reality. The fact of the matter is gun control in general is fading in popularity, and has been for decades. Just look at the states that have Concealed Carry that didn't just a decade ago. If someone would have said back in the early 70's you would have over 40+ states that would allow the licensed carry of a concealed handgun in 2011, you would have been laughed at. Yet that is exactly where we stand today. No anti gun politician would have ever dreamed such a reality.
If the Republicans take over the Senate along with the Presidency in 2012 the prospect for more gun control becomes an even dimmer light. If you look at the history of gun control in general, you get more with Democrats than you do with Republicans. The Dodd Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban are just two examples in a long list.
Being anti gun means nothing if you do not have the power to enforce your ideas. Even the Democrats have learned gun control is more risk than it is reward. They have enough problems with the idiot they chose to put in the White House. The last thing they need is even lower approval ratings resulting from trying to pass more gun control. A few will talk it up, but much like everything else the Democratic liberals have been proposing lately, it will go nowhere. Again, more reality.
New York City will never go for it. Badge & gun are exclusively theirs to wear.
I'm afraid that "idiot they put in the white house", may still occupy the White House come 2012. He owns the media. (with a little help from Soros), he has 90% of the black vote, he has the liberal vote locked, he has 100% of the illegal alien vote, he has the media brain washing vote, and he has the dead vote all to himself. He has at least 3 times the money any republican will be able to raise. We will see him on the TV 4-5 times for each Republican viewing. How can he lose??
Cain is the only Republican that might, and that is a very slim might, beat Oslamba. But the media is already shooting him down and will continue to do so.
I hope and pray that a miracle comes along and Oslamba does not get elected, but it just looks too lop sided in his favor for that to happen.
As to the hope of one CC permit good in all states, the only one that could do that is the federal government, and we sure don't want them to have that authority. Can you imagine trying to get all the states to commit to a one permit good in any state? Maybe if we could get California, New York, Maryland, Illinois, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Rhode Island, and New Jersey to leave the union(not a bad idea in itself) it might fly, but the odds are still not very good.
Not going to happen. Hussein's best day as President was the day he was Inaugurated. His worst day will be today. Tomorrow will be worse. No American President, except for one, (F.D.R.), has ever been reelected with an unemployment rating at or above 7.5%. We are currently at 9.2%, with many areas of the country at double digit unemployment, (Nevada and Michigan). This will only get worse before election day. As will everything else.
He'll get the black vote, and his die hard core of Lemming liberals. But the Independents, (which he desperately needs), are running, not walking away from him. In many areas of the country he is even losing the Hispanic vote. He sold his bull$h!t the first time around to a bunch of over enthusiastic liberal whites, who were obsessed with putting a black in the White House. That game is clearly over as these people are more worried about having a place to live and work, rather than being politically correct. Common sense tends to kick in over political fantasy when you're cold, hungry, and have nowhere to sleep.
I'm worried that the national CWP/CCW/CHL thing is intended to take the control of such away from the states. Then the next step would easily be the condition that authorizes revoking of all permits in a "national emergency", then declaring such emergency.
They don't have to recognize driver's licenses; they do so by choice. You'll note that most state licenses don't enjoy automatic reciprocal recognition; ask any hairdresser, electrician, plumber, boiler technician, etc.
You're probably thinking not of the 14th amendment, but the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution:
Thanks that is correct.