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We already do that for murder. Does it work? Commit a violent crime, rape/murder/robbery/great bodily harm and you get life behind bars. We'd have enough room if this so called war on drugs wasn't waged. That's a whole other topic though.
 

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They need to address the mental health problems not guns. Of course that might mean some politicians would get committed. Classify "Control Freak" as a mental illness. IMHO An unnatural fear of an inanimate object should be considered a mental illness.
 

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Every time I hear crap like this, I think to myself, how nice it would be to own my own country. Then I get to thinking what laws my country would have... Then I find myself wanting my own country modeled exactly on the constitution...

Then I get really mad at scumbags who are in MY country and want to dump on MY rules.



Edit to rant...

This is MY country, scumbags... Get it? MINE. It's MINE, because I have the right to live anywhere in the world I want, but I don't. I don't because I love the constitution as written. MY country has laws I like.
YOU do not like this country's laws. YOU do not like a weak federal government. YOU do not like citizens being armed. YOU do not like states rights.
But, just like me, you also have the right to leave... But you refuse. You stay, and subvert the laws of MY country... In order to turn it into YOUR country.

YOU are no longer welcome in this country. You are treasonous, and anti-constitutional.
 

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Ron Paul drug nonsense aside, I had a friend who moved to NJ and defended their anti-gun laws. And this was a lifelong friend I got a universal 12 ga. Mossberg 500 w/C-Lect Choke barrel for as his first gun, mostly for hunting, back-in-the-day as a gift from his fiance when we were still teenagers I 'spose. The myopic dum dum is in my Will -- he can have any modern cartridge gun from my collection that is legal to hunt deer with in suburban New Jersey. LOL

If he's smart enough to pay for an appraisal he'll pull the original Parker Bros. Trap shotgun. That means he'll take a WingMaster...
 

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My son and his lady - professional EMTs - have been told to expect a "waiting period" of up to five months for their NJFOIC. And these folks have already been "background checked" multiple times ! >MW
 

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My son and his lady - professional EMTs - have been told to expect a "waiting period" of up to five months for their NJFOIC. And these folks have already been "background checked" multiple times ! >MW
That is simply insane but then again it's better than them telling you 30 days and having to wait 5 months anyway. I only hope that my pistol purchase permit doesn't take as long as that. My town is usually back logged by about an additional 30 days for FPID cards. I hope that can be kept the most minimal additional time.

In what county of NJ did they apply?
 

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That is simply insane but then again it's better than them telling you 30 days and having to wait 5 months anyway. I only hope that my pistol purchase permit doesn't take as long as that. My town is usually back logged by about an additional 30 days for FPID cards. I hope that can be kept the most minimal additional time.

In what county of NJ did they apply?
This is what really pisses me off about these laws. They pass a burdensome law that requires detailed background and mental health check then plain out lie about the time required to meet the "reasonableness" test. For example the law clearly states that in regards to an FOID or a pistol purchase permit the Chief of Police "shall issue" in 30 days maximum. Clearly 5 months is longer than 30 days but there is not a damned thing we can do about it because the Courts have ruled that the time requirement is meaningless and if the state is too busy and it takes longer then tough shiz. Try using that one the next time you get a speeding ticket, sorry officer I am late for work and don't have the time to obey your silly speed limit laws.
 

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I wonder how much the overall increase in gun sales subsequently created a backlog and could be in part responsible for the longer wait times? Not to defend them in any way, I had to wait 3 months for my pistol purchase permits and this was in march of 2012! No assault weapons ban fear then.
 

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I wonder how much the overall increase in gun sales subsequently created a backlog and could be in part responsible for the longer wait times? Not to defend them in any way, I had to wait 3 months for my pistol purchase permits and this was in march of 2012! No assault weapons ban fear then.
I am absolutely sure that it has but the point is, they made the law they should have to follow it regardless of whether 1 or 1 million people apply in a month. This is exactly how they get away with "back door" infringement of our rights. Create an overly burdensome law with "reasonable" restrictions then understaff the departments involved so that most people will simply choose to not go through the hassle of a 4-6 month application process. Voila...de facto gun ban.

How many times have you seen a good deal on a gun but were simply not able to act on it because you didn't have an open permit at the time and the seller wouldn't wait 6 months for you to get one? Have your rights been infringed?

How many gun dealers in NJ actually stock inventory? Not many because there is simply no impulse buying permitted due to the length of time it takes to get a permit. In PA, you can decide while driving in to work that you would like a new handgun, go to the gunshop on your way home that evening, show your drivers license, fill out the 4473, get a NICS check, pay for the gun and go home. In NJ that process from start to finish could take 6 months.

Thanks for letting me rant...btw February 8, 2013 - 2A rally in Trenton, pass the word.



http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2013/01/new-jersey-gun-rights-rally-day-needs-volunteers-2455574.html
 

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just another reason why NJ sucks ... every bit as much as NY :cool:


sorry Pyle, my condolences :D
 

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I apply for multiple permits and renew them. At least this way I have 6 months to find a deal on what I'm looking for. It's sad that we have to adapt to the system in order for us to have the benefit of finding a good deal.
 

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just another reason why NJ sucks ... every bit as much as NY :cool:


sorry Pyle, my condolences :D
Sorry, but Jersey is worse than NY, but they both stink. Unlike the 15 round max allowed in NJ, NY restricts mags to 10 maximum capacity except for LE, or .22's with tubular mags. Only those guns and high capacity mags manufactured earlier than Sept 1994 were grandfathered in. Many new handguns manufactured today cannot unfortunately be purchased in NYS, cause most accept over 10 rounds except for sub compacts and 1911's. That's the only advantage living in Jersey.

They license B-B guns in Jersey, but they're only illegal in NYC, which is another planet. In NY there's no waiting period, but must obtain a purchase order for $15 at the pistol license bureau in order to take possession of the gun. I can live with that. Hollow points are also not allowed in NJ, but have no restriction in NY.

With a NY governor like Cuomo and spineless phony repubs the future looks bleak, but even though Vermont has the ideal gun laws their residents may face in the future what NY and NJ face today. If they think they can keep voting for socialists like Bernie Sanders and continue to put into office the kind of President we got and continue enjoying their 2nd amendment rights like they are currently, they're in for a big surprise. If federal law changes then they're party is over.:(
 
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