My thoughts on Concealed Carry

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by gwk4667, Dec 10, 2011.

  1. gwk4667

    gwk4667 New Member

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    I have been asked my opinion on Concealed Carry laws and the businesses that are trying to bar them. Wisconsin just got CC laws and the anti gun people started putting up “ No Guns Allowed” signs every where. Wisconsin also has a law that if you have a CC permit and you do not carry due to one of those signs the owner is responsible for your safety and if you are harmed you may sue him / her for damages so most of the signs came back down.

    So is today's “No Guns" sign the same as the 1950s "No Blacks" - - - it gives one pause.

    I had never thought of it in terms of "Civil Rights" but that is a very compelling argument.

    You do have the right to bar anyone you like from your home.

    But if I were to bar someone (black, gay, red-haired) from my business I would be facing federal time for a "Hate Crime" and I can see the same argument for Concealed Carry.

    People will say it is a matter of choice - - - I do not read in the Constitution that you have a right to be gay. But we do have a second amendment right to bear arms. I would feel we should be every bit as protected as a gay person!

    "Jesus said to his disciples ... and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." Luke 22:36

    When Florida changed to "Shall Issue," the Sarah Brady gang went around screaming like Howler Monkeys that, "It was going to be the Old West with gunfights in the middle of the streets all over again." Well, as any student of history will tell you, those "Old West gunfights" are a figment of Hollywood's imagination and have nothing to do with real history. In fact, the "Old West" was very polite because everyone carried a gun, but mostly for practical purposes.

    Florida's CCW rate climbed to over 25% - 1 in 4 of all citizens had a concealed gun and had qualified to use it. Cab drivers were shooting robbers, rapists were winding up in hospitals, and within six months, violent crime dropped almost 50%. As a result, criminals started attacking tourists, thinking they weren't able to be armed - then they became educated in something called "reciprocity" and that wound up with tourists shooting criminals. Florida has had no regrets at all since changing to "Shall Issue" and the Brady Bunch had to slink away in disgrace.

    Kennesaw, Georgia went one better requiring a firearm in every residence. That county had held the distinction of having the highest crime rate in the state for years. The law was passed in 1982 and now the county has held the distinction for almost 30 years of the lowest crime rate in the state. Look at
    Gun Ownership Mandatory In Kennesaw, Georgia --- Crime Rate Plummets

    So now back to my opinion on CCW - - - I feel every citizen who is properly trained in safe, competent use should be required to have at least one firearm for the safety of them and their fellow citizens!

    Now for someone (Rep. Suzanna Gratia Hupp ) who has lived the nightmare and can speak much better about it than I ever will. Please spend 5minutes and 24 seconds to listen to her true story.
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrIsuO5PLc]2nd Amendment - Dr. Suzanna Gratia-Hupp testimony - YouTube[/ame]

    I may have made a few enemies with this post but if it make you think GREAT!
     
  2. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    Here's a link for all to enjoy, all the stats and facts about myths and general BS that the sheeple love to spew.

    http://jpfo.org/pdf02/gun-facts-5.1.pdf

    Big difference with this is they give sources at the bottom of every page, unlike the anti-rags...
     

  3. neilage66

    neilage66 New Member

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    Thanks! JPFO is wonderful.

    Just the document to email every leftist on the list!

    I can already hear heads exploding.
     
  4. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Just don't go to those businesses.

    It worked in Florida.

    That is how it started here, now one rarely sees those signs.
     
  5. lonewolf101

    lonewolf101 New Member

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    Hit thoes anti gun people in the pocketbooks! you will thoes signs go away.
     
  6. thdrduck

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    Right after CC was allowed in WI my bank posted signs at the doors stating that no "guns" are allowed on the bank property. After about a week I mentioned to a teller that I thought the signs and policy were maybe not such a great idea. She had to ask why and I responded that it assured any would be bad guys that there were no armed good guys in the bank, you just told them that your bank relies on cameras to stop them. She didn't look as comfortable when I left as she did when I arrived.
     
  7. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I pulled my money out of a bank that had such a policy. As the word got around to others, the bank's policy changed.
    A movie rental place had the same sign and was boycotted by carriers, their policy soon changed.

    If I see such a sign, I do not enter and post a list in the "Thrifty Nickel" and on other lists. A newspaper classified ad does wonders. Signs come down when there is a coordinated effort.
     
  8. towboater

    towboater Active Member

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    Isn't there a way to ban yangpeter url?
     
  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    yeah, do what i did, report it as spam.:D
     
  10. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    in response to this, i will say a business has the right to refuse service to anyone, and as long as the properly worded and sized sign is used in Texas, then it is legal to restrict someone from carrying a concealed firearm. IMO, if you want this policy of theirs to change, then the approach that has been mentioned several times is the one i agree with. don't shop in these establishments and tell others not either, when they start losing money from law-abiding CCW patrons, they will have to make a decision to change their policy. i believe in a peaceful solution will have more merit than for CCW permit holders to disregard the signs.
     
  11. Jay

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    In Indiana, a "No Guns" sign does NOT carry the weight of law. The business owner may ask you to leave, and you may be charged with trespass if you stay. Several like-minded folks and I got some of these cards years ago, and have begun printing our own, to hand to "No Guns" businesses.... the wording can be edited to suit your own State's laws, using the links to .doc files of the front and back of the card.

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    http://personal.swayzee.com/jayb/no guns front.doc
    http://personal.swayzee.com/jayb/no guns back.doc
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    jay, i like your approach to this. simple but very effective. this mirrors my thoughts on this, CCW permit holders are law-abiding citizens, not thugs and gangbangers.
     
  13. Jay

    Jay New Member

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    Thanks.... what we like about it, is that it requires no verbal interaction with the business owner. These cards make a confrontation much less likely, and still says all we want to say, in a respectful, adult manner.
     
  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i agree, like i said very simple and effective way to send the message without acting stupid because someone wants to restrict people with a CCW permit. because they do still have the right to refuse service to anyone. that is their right and we should respect that right. but also, we can take our business's that cater to people who have a CCW permit.
     
  15. Sonic82

    Sonic82 New Member

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    Nice thought....but they won't pay attention to it or even read it. Outside of the very few that have been affected by violence and had a change of heart on the matter, I wonder how many have actually been converted. I'm speaking of anti's in general.
     
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  16. JonM

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    About the same amount of people that read snarky bumper stickers and get a revelation from them.

    What really converts anti-gun nuts into pro second ammendment enthusiasts is taking them shooting and letting them shoot a fun gun.

    Ive converted a few by letting them try out some of my 22lr handguns and rifles
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    that is the positive approach and i agree with it 100%. but the sad fact is, some are coverted when violent crime has been at their doorstep and they have been the victim in some form. some are lucky and only left shaken and out of sorts for the ordeal, but some are not so lucky and relieved of not only their valuables, but their lives too. for these, i am deeply sad for, because there isn't a second chance for them. JonM, applaude your efforts on conversion of non-gunowners and wish you much luck.
     
  18. Jay

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    I've been involved in firearms training for over 25 years. About 40% of my first time students have had a personal protection issue themselves, or a family member, or someone they know has had one.
     
  19. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Unfortunately human nature being what it is, its easier to teach with a whip than a candy cane :(

    Its sad our best recruitment effort is the very slime we arm ourselves to defend from. I think its one area that gun organizations epic fail in. Tv shows like topshot bring whats fun about guns to the public view. We tend to focus on the negatives and be reactive instead of proactive.

    Thats why anti gun nuts are so effective is they are constantly campaigning. They have had some setbacks but those are just temporary. The political winds will shift back again as gun ownership increases and crime drops people will feel safer and start voting touchyfeely again.

    We as a gun community need to take the current atmosphere of progun sentiment and demonstrate the fun aspects rather than focus on the reality of self defense
     
  20. Jay

    Jay New Member

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    Top shot would have been an excellent tool if the producers hadn't made it another reality show. Not much available that portrays the "average" gun owner... not exciting enough, I guess. You can't introduce firearms competitions to viewers, show the competition, and the excitement in a 30 minute show. Sponsors are another story altogether.