My thoughts about MAGPUL-P Mags and Smith&Wesson AR-15s.

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by rifleshooter474, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. rifleshooter474

    rifleshooter474 New Member

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    Few years ago I bought a S&W 15T it's a super nice rifle, Troy rails and Troy BUIS.:)

    Like many back then I ordered a few of the new MAGPUL-P Mags to try. The ones I received none of them would not lock into the S&Ws Mag Well.
    I called MAGPULs Tech. support and the person I spoke with just informed me it was my S&Ws Mag. Well, and I needed to grind it out to fit the MAGPUL-P :eek:
    Mags. I asked this person if they would like to inspect my MAGPUL-P Mags his answer was no it's not our problem.
    My metal AR-15 Mags fit and drop free so I wondered what is the real deal.

    Well I called S&W and spoke to the AR-15 project Engineer he said there was nothing wrong with the S&W Mag Wells they were made to meet the Military Spec. for metal AR-15/16 Mags.

    Well I again called MAGPUL and spoke to their Clark Drake he is their sales guiding light.:rolleyes:
    We had a good talk with him defending his Mags and pointing the problem at my S&W. at some point in a few calls with him things got nasty, with him telling me tpo not ever call him or MAGPUL again.

    It really did not pertain anymore with the Mag well fit of my S&W it got down to my feelings that MAGPUL-P Mags are nice range Mags if they will fit your AR but they are not a Defence or Combat ready AR15/16 Mag.

    IMHO a Mag must have metal feed lips to be a Defence or Combat ready Mag.
    Well Mr. Clark Drake really gave me a dressing down and since hes had me banned many times over from a lot of AR forums.
    So much for the MAGPUL-P Mag thoughts.

    Now on to S&W and their AR-15s. MAGPUL contacted S&W and got S&W to start opening up their Mag Wells so to fit the many over sized injection molded MAGPUL-P Mags they were getting produced, this being cheaper then addressing the real problem of their MAGPULs quality control problems.

    Today S&W is in full bed with MAGPUL using their Rails and their BUISs, I guess when you have deep pockets you can buy yourself into any Company.:mad:
     
  2. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Even though it was frustrating early on it's hard to lay the blame entirely on one or the other since it was a slightly tight magwell and slightly oversize mag. But as you say current S&W lowers don't have a problem with current Magpul mags, in fact S&W magazines today are rebadged Magpul.
     

  3. rifleshooter474

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    Yes that is a sad fact that MAGPUL has replaced the metal Mags that first came with the S&W AR15s. with their injected molded P-Mag.

    Now I do not mean to bad post the MAGPUL-P Mags, I still content as I always have they are great RANGE Mags. But not having metal feed lips as the Lancer L5 Mags have they should remain RANGE use only.;)

    I still have my AR-15s but have moved into shooting AKs and like with the ARs you can now find a lot of the older metal type mags on the markets, but I like the newer non metal Mags.

    But I like metal feed lips and I like metal locking tabs with their steel spines inbeded like in the molded circle ten ((10)) Bulgarian Mags imported and sold by K-Var the people who sell the Arsnel SGL rifles. They are like the Lancer L5 of the AK Mags meaning they are IMHO the best you can buy in non metal.:)
     
  4. mjkeat

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    Magpul mags are combat worthy and are being deployed in combat operations as we speak by our door kickers. I believe a foreign army just placed a huge PMag order. What makes you think they are not combat/defensive quality mags?

    Im also curious as to how you went about driving a Magpul rep to say such things. Ive had nothing but great experiences w/ them and have read nothing but the same from others. Hell they've even replaced items I broke or lost 100% free of charge w/o question.

    Even aluminum and metal mags are being fitted w/ Magpul followers. I have an equal amount of PMags and metal mags, PMags feed more reliably than any mags Ive owned or been issues.

    Your issue w/ PMags being slightly thicker can be cured w/ a little sand paper in a matter of minutes. I haven't had to do it as PMags fit perfectly in all of my lowers.
     
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  5. Car54

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    I bought my M&PX 2 years ago and I've used P-mags (14 or 15) since day one without having any type of problem.
     
  6. rifleshooter474

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    Maybe some are using them but the Military is not buying or supplying MAGPUL-P Mags to any Combat Soldiers. I have read that some contractors have used them but that's it.

    About Sir Drake of MAGPUL Sales and I not seeing eye to eye, I just expected a little more from them and I still feel MAGPUL dodged the real problem. It's been over four years and I am guessing by now they MAGPUL have solved the oversized Mag problems.

    Now maybe you like sanding on your Mags, but I don't find this idea I would care doing.

    If people feel they need MAGPUL followers it's their money to spend, myself I see no real need for the them. I have never had a problem with a standard Military Mag. or the older Lancer L5 with the green followers.

    Now about the metal feed lips I feel having them makes the Mag. a lot stronger and this means it will always feed the Ammo. when needed. The Military asked Lancer to make a non metal AR16 Mag that had metal feed lips and they did just this. Lancer Mags cost more then MAGPUL-P Mags but IMHO they are worth the extra cost.
     
  7. Quentin

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    I bought my S&W stripped lower two years ago and have a combination of PMAGs and milspec (aluminum). No sticking with any but I know earlier S&W/PMAG combos did. I'm happy with either GI or PMAG but when I'm going to be dropping mags, they're PMAGs not Colt. :D
     
  8. mjkeat

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    I have never had to sand my PMags. They have always fit in every lower Ive put them into.

    Are you *****ing about something that happens 4 years ago?

    I do know 11Bs are using PMags in combat. Its not just private contractors. PMags do have a NSN.

    Manufacturers are equipping their mags w/ Magpul followers because people are demanding them because they are proven to be better/ more reliable.

    Don't mean to argue but it sounds like you're trying to take a very isolated incident and trying to portray it as a daily occurrence at a highly respected manufacturers facility. I don't think you'll get to far around here or anywhere else.
     
  9. Korey

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    mag pull is the best mag/dollar you can get for the AR? The reason the government doesn't use them is the same reason they went from the .45 1911 to the 9mm M9
    cost
    steel mags cost less, even by the slight amount they add up to huge savings when you purchase as many as the government does
     
  10. JonM

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    ive got some magpul pmags i hate em.

    they fit and work fine but treat one a little rough or drop it or insert it into the magwell on a open bolt and smack it into place and they turn into a 5.56 caliber volcanic shell eruption. very annoying.

    my pmags sit in the back of the gunsafe behind my milsurp metal mags and cammengas

    they are brand new ill prolly end up using em as trade fodder at some point.

    im really rough on my mags and often a bit clumsy so its a common enough occurunce i just dont use em.
     
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  11. rifleshooter474

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    Maybe you just missed it I said it was four years ago the MAGPUL Mags did not work in my S&W AR15T and it was not just S&W that they did not fit in all the time. Today I don't read of this problem anymore.
    Mr. Drake and I had a major disagreement about the need for metal feed lips. Since MAGPUL-P Mags don't have metal feed lips, I can understand Drake defending that they are unneeded. But a lot of people besides me think they are a real important item.
    As for the MAGPUL followers being more reliable and people demanding them, it's news to me. There is a lot more involved with a rifle that has problems with feeding Ammo. it's not always because of the Mags follower.
    IMHO MAGPUL does a lot of powerful marketing about their non tilting followers.
    I have hundreds of AR Mags all kinds and none have had follower problems. People just picked up on forum threads about the green metal followers being bad, then all green follower were now suspect.
    MAGPUL just used it to promote their followers, people buy them because other people say they are better more reliable.
    I sure have not noticed a problem with the old green followers.
    On another subject:
    Now I have seen a lot of our GIs picking up AKs after a fire fight, but I have never found a Taliban with and AR. Now this tells this guy something.;)
     
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  12. Quentin

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    What, that he's not the brightest star in the sky? Besides, we tend to win firefights thank God so guess which weapons are left on the ground?

    We all know the AK is tough but anyone with half a brain can buy or build an extremely reliable AR. Uncle Sam issues a pretty darn good one too.
     
  13. JonM

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    you wont notice a difference in followers unless your firing a lot of full auto or 3 round burst. semi auto follower type doesnt make a bit of diff as you cant fire fast enough for follower tilt to be an issue. even bump firing is too slow for it to be a factor. its like m4 feed ramps just not needed in semi-auto applications.

    if i ever get approval for my M16A1 you can be sure im going to be using anti tilt follwers.
     
  14. rifleshooter474

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    So tell me have you shot many AKs? Do you own any AKs? I am not saying our M4s and AR16s are not good I did not say this.
     
  15. mjkeat

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    Soldiers picking up AKs? Never happened when we were over there.

    Quentin, made a good point. Hard to pick up an enimies weapon when your running away and or dead ;)

    So if this happened 4 years ago and the problem has been corrected what's the purpose of this thread?

    This thread is pointless and needs to be locked.
     
  16. rifleshooter474

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    Well lock it Mr. MAGPUL guy. FAD :rolleyes:
     
  17. JonM

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    i wouldnt call him a fanboy just cuz this thread has gone from a discussion to name calling.
     
  18. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    Far from a fan boy. However, I am a man of taste and good judgment :D

    I asked a couple simple legitimate questions that you answer w/ name calling.

    From the very beginning I could tell you were to emotionally involved to think clearly therefore making your thread about a problem that is 4 years old pointless.

    Magpul is a well respected company that sells a lot of product based on real world testing. Your tinfoil, they only sell stuff because of internet propaganda, conspiracy theory BS is ridiculous. Many a haji has met ala from rounds fed through PMags. Your claims of not being defense /combat worthy are not true.

    Once again why create a thread about a problem that happened four years ago and has been remedied? Not trying to get personal. I ask because I'm trying to understand. Sim-Ah ;)

    And like I eluded to earlier I believe theres more to the story than we're being told. A company that is willing to give stuff away in instances of loss by the end user is not going to say those things, unprovoked.
     
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  19. Quentin

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    I've shot a few and own the cheapest, crapiest lowest common denominator of an AKM - the WASR-10 which I bought 5 years ago. Still, it's a good rifle and like almost all AKs it is reliable but if I had to defend myself with a battleground pickup, I'd reach for the M4. BTW, I wasn't referring to you with that brightest star comment.
     
  20. Gojubrian

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    Magpuls - :) :cool:

    rifle****ter- :mad: :rolleyes: