My New DPMS .308 AP4 Carbine

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  1. billt

    billt New Member

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    I just picked it up this morning. It had everything I wanted, and the price was right. Removable carry handle with A-2 sights, plus a free floater forend, dust cover, and a forward assist. It came with 2, 20 round mags and the dealer threw in a 20 round Mag-Pul P-Mag which I really like. I'll be picking up a few more. I won't get a chance to crank it up until Monday, weather permitting.

    This is my first .308 AR. I have a couple of Springfield M1-A's, and I'll be glad to see how this one stacks up. It seems like a nice, solid, well made rifle. Fit, finish, and overall feel look good, and I really like the sights. I'm still not used to the big magazine! When he handed me the Mag-Pul P-Mag I did a double take because I'm so used to .223. This thing looks like it's going to get shot a lot! Does anyone have any ammo recommendations? I've been running 42.0 Gr. of Varget under a 168 Gr. Sierra Matchking in all of my other .308's, and it's more or less been my "go to" round in that caliber because it runs well in all of my rifles. Anyway,I'm looking forward to lighting it up!
     
  2. locutus

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    I think you're gonna love it. Mine has an ACOG TA31F mounted, and it's had over a thousand rounds of NATO ball without a stutter. :)

    I like it far better than I did my old M1A. :p
     

  3. Quentin

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    Good luck with it, billt, it's sure a beauty! We definitely want a range report.

    And what's this excuse "weather permitting"? In Glendale, AZ? Monsoon season late or something? :D
     
  4. billt

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    My wife told me we were supposed to get rain at the beginning of next week. But out here it wouldn't be smart to bet on it.
     
  5. MOshooter

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    Bilit Congrats on the AP4! I have owned one for the past 7 years and have never regretted my purchase,it's very accurate and never has jammed or failed to fire. I take mine out to the range as well as in the woods for some whitetailin' :D
     
  6. billt

    billt New Member

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    That's good to hear! Nothing like a fellow shooter with the same make and model having good luck to boost my confidence.
     
  7. billt

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    I went to the range this morning with the new .308 DPMS, and overall had a very good range session. The gun functioned flawlessly. No FTF or FTE's. The gun ate everything it was fed. I tried both DPMS magazines that came with the rifle and both fed 19 rounds each of Magtech 150 Gr. FMJ without a hitch. I then switched to the Mag-Pul P-Mag I had for all the rest of my shooting, because that is the magazine I will be purchasing several extras of. It ran fine with everything I stuffed in it.

    At 8.25 pounds empty, the gun has very manageable recoil. Much less than a light .308 sporter like my Winchester Model 88 does. It was LOUD! Much louder than any .223 AR-15. Ejection was positive, but it did not damage or ding any of the brass. I don't have any optics on this rifle, and really don't intend to mount any. The standard A-2 sights were pretty close at 100 yards, where all my shooting was from. I had to adjust about 2 inches up and about 2 to 3 inches to the left, and everything after that was well central on the targets.

    After about 50 rounds I switched to some handloads I had brought that were loaded with 42.0 Gr. of Varget under a Sierra 168 Gr. Matchking bullet. My eyes were getting used to the sights, and using the small aperture shooting off the bench it was not difficult to get groups that could be covered with a drink coaster. For my 59 year old ageing eyes I'll call that good. I switched to some Hornady 168 Gr. A-Max bullets loaded with the same 42.0 Gr. of Varget. They grouped just a bit tighter, but I would of had to have a scope mounted to really establish which was the better load as far as accuracy.

    After taking a break and BS'ing with some of the guys there I tried some informal offhand shooting on the 200 yards steel plates. It was very easy to achieve steady hits. This rifle is very easy to shoot accurately. Much more so than my Springfield M1-A's are offhand. It being shorter is far less muzzle heavy and less tiresome to shoot from an offhand stance. All in all I ran a total of 220 rounds through the gun. More .308 than I normally would shoot at a single range outing.

    Before I left I heavily lubed up everything, and after every 30 rounds or so, I gave the bolt and bolt lugs several drops of Mobil 1 to keep everything good and slick. After I got home the gun cleaned up effortlessly. Everyone has their own method of lubricating AR's. For me more is better. I disassembled the bolt carrier group and washed everything in clean Kerosene, then blew everything dry with compressed air. After that the gun was spotless. I then re oiled and greased everything, and the gun was as spotless as before I took it out of the case.

    I used Bore Tech Eliminator in the barrel, and it cleaned up much easier than I had expected. I didn't get the barrel very hot, and gave it plenty of time to cool off between magazines. It was mostly cloudy and cool out with almost no wind at all. Overall I'm very pleased with this rifle. The gun ran perfectly, shot where it was aimed, and was easy to handle doing it. I wished I hadn't waited so long to get into the .308 AR game. These guns are a lot of fun, and I couldn't be more pleased.
     
  8. Chandler51

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    Glad you like it. I have an AR10...when I break it out, it's the "rock star" of the range. I don't understand why people get so google eyed over the big rifles, but they damned sure do. At least where I shoot, anyway.

    Welcome to the ".308 club". They are a lotta fun. :)
     
  9. fireguy

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    I have the cheaper model without the forward assist. It is a good shooter. I scoped mine, it came without sights. Haven't put but a hundred rounds through it so far but I'm going to give it a work out when the weather straighens up.
     
  10. MOshooter

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    billt Thanks for posting a range report on your AP4 and glad to hear you're enjoying the rifle they're a blast to shoot. I've had my on the range and bench several times it has always functioned and shot well....Very good write up.

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    I use a Burris 1.5-6 power and it shoots very respectable groups and hard on the Whitetail :D

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  11. billt

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    MOshooter,

    That's a nice AP4 you have there. I like your bayonet. This is my Bushmaster Modular Carbine with a M-9 bayonet I purchased a while back. I haven't tried it yet on my AP4.

    What kind of groups are you getting with your scope set up? I ask because I'm limited in my being able to prove that out with only iron sights and my ageing eyes. I feel my DPMS is accurate enough that at some point I may scope it out in order to realize it's full accuracy potential.

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  12. MOshooter

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    Billt,

    Thanks on the AP4 comment,that's a great lookin' Bushmaster you have and I like your M9 bayonet a really nice set up you have there.

    As far as groups with the rifle scoped at a 100 yds it will keep groups at 1" to 1 1/4" even with the the course crosshairs,the Burris 1.5-6 power scope works good hunting but it sure isn't a bench or varmint rifle scope :)

    When I bought my AP4 carbine I was wanting a semi auto in a 308 to replace my Rem 7400 06' for quicker follow up shots if needed while still hunting and stalking whitetail through woods and brushy creek bottoms here in MO. When first looking at the DPMS LR308 I was thinking 20" barrel,then found out the weight and have always been very happy with the size,weight,accuracy,and balance of the DPMS AP4 carbine.
    Enjoy that new AP4!! :D