My new Ar15A1 rifle, so far not so bad.

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by HighPlainsDrifter, Feb 19, 2011.

  1. I just picked this beut up at a local gun show( cross roads of the west). I picked it up at J&G sales display for $688 and some change. Now to drop the bomb, It is a Century arms rifle. I know I Know, what is this guy thinking A CAI rifle AHHHHHHH. Well i have been look at this rifle for a while now researching and look up first hand reviews. The consensus says it a pretty good rifle most just don't trust it because of the name stamp. Now i am not one to advise someone to go the CAI route with a new purchase but this thing is solid. It has colt upper guts with a m16 carrier, colt upper receiver, CMT lower and guts, i am pretty sure the hand guards and butt stock are original colt, it even came with a cleaning kit and sling labeled colt P/N 62249. the only thing i don't know about is the barrel. It is an A1 light barrel but there are no markings anywhere, checked under the hand guards and everything. I came with a decent 20 round Polymer mag as well. Now for an under $700 dollar A1 with everything described i am willing to make the gamble. I dont know, here are some pics. Tell me what you think.
     

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  2. Oh and a range report is coming vary vary soon, I cant wait to shoot this thing.
     

  3. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    Ive really been eyeing one of these. Can you post pics of the gas key staking and any markings?

    I think classicarms.us has some more info on this rifle. I just cant remember what it says exactly.
     
  4. jeepcreep927

    jeepcreep927 New Member

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    Not a bad snag there. If the upper and bolt/ carrier are Colt, maybe it was put together from "surplus" parts, especially if you have a F/A carrier. When I was an armorer in the Coast Guard we had a ton of old Colt and Hydramatic lowered A1's (this was in 2001) in the vault. There were no markings at all on the barrel, no COLT stamp, twist rate, notta.
     
  5. Jpyle

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    HPD...nice stick, love the retro look of it. Noticed a fwd assist on the upper,,,does that make it an A2? Whats the twist on the barrel...1:12?
     
  6. JonM

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    forward assist was a main differenca from m16 to m16a1. the rear sight, handguards, and heavy barrel would be the diff in A2.

    nice snag there drifter cant wait for the report. im a huge A1 fan.
     
  7. here is the staking, no visible stampings or markings that i can see.
     

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  8. The twist rate is 1:9 according to the website. The barrel is much like JeepCreep said about his experience there are no markings or stamping anywhere. The tear drop forward assist is an A1 feature, correct me if i am wrong cause i could be but A2 had the circle assist, heavy barrel, rounded hand guard and slightly longer butt stock.

    Thanks JonM like i said before your A1 build inspired this buy. Your inpt i much welcome.
     
  9. mjkeat

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    Looks like a decent deal.
     
  10. whtsmoke

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    well i for one dont care who made it just go out and enjoy it, shes a beauty, kiss from front to rear, carried one of them for a period in my life so i like the looks of the old carry handle just makes it look right. :D
     
  11. Thanks for all the positive feed back fellas. I never thought in a million years i would have one AR15 at my age and now i have two. Craziness...
     
  12. JonM

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    circle assist was a later a1 feature. i dont think its specific to either. ive seen a few military A2 with teardrops in the early 90s. a 1:9 in a thin barrel is not a military barrel its prolly just a aftermarket A1 profile. surplus colt barrels that were pencil profile are all 1:12 twist to the very very first runs of 1:14 with some 1:10. m16A1 surplus barrels are stamped MPI sometimes with a C if im not mistaken. with no twist stamping. it will be between the flash hider and fsb on the top if it is stamped. not all barrels were stamped. a2 also have a very annoying finger groove on the pistol grip.

    the best feature of the A1 is the triangle hand guards. absolutely the best forward grip for a rifle ever devised. its a true shame the military went to those round handguards.

    with mainly colt parts that rifle is a steal.
     
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  13. jeepcreep927

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    The A1 has an oblong fwd assist and no provisions for elevation on the rear sight, the stock is 5/8" shorter and the barrel is lighter than the A2, and the flash hider (assuming it's "stock") will be open 360 degrees instead of closed on the bottom.

    I have worked on government weapons that were basically retrofit A1's that had the A1 triangular hand guards replaced with round A2 style.

    A 1"-9 twist would be right for an A1 barrel as the ammunition for that time frame was the m193 55 grain bullet as opposed to the m885 for the A2 which specifies a 62 grain bullet.

    Looks like a good old style A1 upper there to me. Congratulations.
     

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  14. jeepcreep927

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    Few more. This rifle is one of the retro fits. All A1 aside from the round handguards.
     

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  15. jeepcreep927

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    Thin barrel with a 1"-9 twist is the standard barrel for the A1. The rifle pictured above is sitting on my desk in front of me as I type this and is an honest to goodness, straight from the United States Army, no aftermarket parts, M16A1.
     
  16. dunerunner

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    Nice find, wish I could trip over one of those at the local gun store!!

    Can't wait to see how she shoots!! :D
     
  17. That is awesome. Thanks for the brain food. On another note does anyone know a good place to get an A1 grip?
     
  18. jeepcreep927

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    Pistol Grip - Used

    Original grips, as well as forend halves, are made from a glass reinforced plastic like material that feels much different than the newer plastic molded pieces. It almost feels "brittle", kinda like a Bakelite composition.
     
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  19. mjkeat

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    How would one about aquiring one of these? I imagine the originals are all F/A, correct? Could a guy possibly get ahold of a non F/A yet w/ original upper and lower?
     
  20. jeepcreep927

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    If HPD has does in fact have a Government issued A1 upper, I don't imagine it was sold initially, or removed from service to end up on the civilian market in a legit manner. Even perfectly good gov't owned stuff (military especially, weapons and weapon parts in particular) is usually destroyed when taken out of service.

    Getting ahold of an original M16A1 is possible if you have several, several, several thousand dollars that you're not in particular need of and you want to pay the class three tax and do the paperwork. The lower itself is what costs the big bucks. The full auto parts (carrier, sear, disconnect, trigger, selector and hammer) are not terribly expensive. The naked stripped lower that is registered prior to 1986, that allows you to legally install those parts is the bank breaker.

    Any M16 series lower WILL be full auto capable and again this is the expensive part. There is nothing special at all about the upper that correlates directly to the capability to fire f/a aside from the longer cocking pad on the carrier. A f/a carrier will function just fine in a semi only rifle and a semi auto carrier will function perfectly fine with a lower containing full auto parts, however it will fire in semi auto only.

    What I'm saying in short is: You could buy a cheap upper from M1 Sales, add a f/a carrier, pin it to your registered f/a lower with appropriate f/a fire control parts, and it will be f/a no different than if it rolled off the assembly line of a government contract for military service rifles. An "original" m16 upper is not restricted, but I wouldn't know where to find one that some Joe or Jarhead didn't acquire by less than honest means.

    The one in the pics I posted is not mine. It belongs to the Army and is on loan to my place of employment and issued to me. I removed the f/a fire control parts as my boss doesn't want the liability and frankly, f/a is not all that useful in my opinion.
     
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