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Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Jesse17, Apr 10, 2011.
Well, you didn't expect here to undress for you in her very first post did you?
I was incorrect about the price the other day. It was $579 at my local Ace. I didn't realize it until I had already done the BG check and was checking out. Oh well I still love her, even if she was $100 more than I thought.
Just like the reviews said it FTFeed about 50% of the time when you load 8 rds in the mag. The problem seems to be that the top two rds tend to splay away from each other as you can see here...
When the bolt face pushes on the top edge of the 1st rd. it tips down (50% of the time) and rams the bullet straight into the frame/feed ramp where there's not enough angle to guide it up to the barrel.
So my question to you guys: Is this a typical feed problem with 1911s (I notice most who preach HP for SD still use FMJ in their 1911s) or just this gun/mag?
It's an ACT mag. is they known for being reliable or crappy? Would a different brand mag. fix this problem? Which one?
I have a couple ACT mags that were given to me, I haven't had the chance to try them out yet.
The mags I prefer are Chip McCormick 8rd power mags, they work flawlessly in both of my Springfields with both hardball and hollow point.
Congratulations, that's a good looking pistol.
Try some Tripp Cobra mags. They should do the trick and they cost about the same as Wilson's.
Nice pistol. Very interesting design on the hammer and I like the lack of markings on the right side of the slide.
It sounds like a mag issue not a gun issue. IMHO, the big three are Tripp Cobra, Wilson Combat ELM Mags, and Chip McCormick Powermags.
Thanks guys, I'll look into the three brands you mentioned.
Other than the 1st rd. feed problem (which I knew about before purchasing it) I love it. For the price I couldn't beat it for a first 1911, to see what features I actually care about.
Trigger feels great, nice and crisp and measures in right at a 4 lb. pull.
On a related note, don't even bother trying to switch back and forth between a double action LCP and single action 1911 in the same shooting session. It just messes you up with both guns. Once I emptied the LCP and switched back to the 1911 I fired before I was ready (still pointing at target) because I didn't realize how hard I my finger was resting on the trigger while I acquired the target center.
Never heard of this brand before.
She sure looks good though.
Good luck with the new purchase.
What you are experiencing is a manufacturer trying to make a 7 round mag work as an 8 and doing a PP job. Ever wonder why John Browning designed the 1911 with a 7 round mag? It’s because as a good engineer, he found 7 rounds are all you can fit into the mag tube after you include a follower, floor plate and spring while still having it function. And before you jump up in my face, those hicap plastic fantastic smooth feeders are double stack! (Staggered rounds change the feeding geometry. See what Browning did when asked to design a hi-cap 9MM, the P-35)
Ever wonder why the AR & AK mags are curved?
Geometry. In the case of the .45 ACP; when loaded in a straight mag using the original designed follower/spring configuration, 7 rounds are as many you can get to feed correctly before FTF presents.
When a gun manufacturer looks for places to save money, the magazine is usually the first place he cuts. Think about all the feed issues you have read about. They are more than likely found in the lower cost 1911s and the common response is; “try a different mag.” That's no coincidence, it’s fact. You can pretty much judge the quality of a firearm by the quality of its mag.
When a company produces only magazines like Tripp Research Inc., 100% of its R&D goes into mag development. Virgil Tripp recognized early on that all the pro shooters were using hot rod guns with hot rod magazines. Flawless function was a requirement for the pro circuit and that left the poorly functioning "stock" mags for the rest of us who couldn't afford to have a gunsmith rub on ours.
Virgil saw a market void and filled it with the up-dated (read: modern) Cobra Mag. His price point is the same as the other big mag manufacturers yet his product incorporates all the current high-tech material and processes that just weren't available to Browning.
Its the same reason I went with ISMI recoil springs. Visit their web site and read how the owner, Marc Cosat followed the same path to fill another market void. The music wire firearm springs are getting long in the tooth and Marc brought his expertise to this market and for the same price of the 100+ year old spring design offerings you can get current material and processes in a gun spring.
Want "the" reason why I went with ISMI? In the 1911 recoil spring market every manufacturer recommends a round count that once achieved, triggers a spring replacement. That’s every manufacturer except ISMI. Marc WARRANTS his recoil springs for 12 months. This is from the site;
12 Month Replacement Warranty extends beyond just materials and workmanship. We even cover failure due to wear.
Regardless of round count, you wear it out, you get a new spring. Check Wolff's recoil spring warranty.
This old man has tried them all. With my background and experience I wouldn't use anything other than Tripp Gen II Cobra Mags and ISMI springs in my carry guns! Don't take my word for it, READ!
Thanks for the good info Cane. Let me see if I have this straight. Are the 7 and 8 rd. mags the same dimensions?
I'm going to a USPSA match Sat. (hopefully) and someone has offered to loan me mags. Will they have to be 8 rd. mags or will 7 rds work as well?
One other question, If the mags themselves are the same could you potentially put the Tripps rebuild kit for a 8 rd. mag in a 7 rd. mag and make it a 8 rounder?
Yes, the 7 & 8 round mags are the same physical size.
Either will work but you'll reload less with 8 rounders.
Not sure on the Tripp kits, I thought they turned an 8 into a 7...
They do turn an eight rounder into a seven. I've converted four mags, two CMC's and two Kimber's. I'd prefer the eight round capacity, but I prefer reliability even more.
Thanks No Good Irish Bast.,
I haven't actually looked at the kits I just assumed they offered them for both. I was just curious about that anyway, I'd rather just buy the right mag in the first place from Tripps. Assuming they fix my problem.
Did you have a problem with the CMCs? Regular Shooting Stars or the Match mags? For years I've run his Match mags in my Wilson and I have a boatload of them, all 8 rounders and never had a problem even shooting fast and furious IDPA stages.
I have a half-dozen old Shooting Stars that have worked well in every 1911 I've ever owned. God knows how many rounds I have put through them and they continue to work. I actually use them to test out each 1911 I pick up. Yes, I have Tripps & Wilsons also, but the old CMCs do work. I shot the Commanders this afternoon using every type of mag I have and the guns performed perfectly with all the mags...
I've used Chip's Shooting Star mags for years and have been very happy with them. The same with Wilson's.
The Chip mags springs went soft on me and stopped feeding reliably. However, the Wilson's have always performed great.
The Kimber mags seem to actually be CMC's, so while I was at it, I changed their innards out as well.
Now, there's a uniformity in my mags that I like. It may be possible that I've sipped at the Kool-Ade of Tripp Magazines, but if so, I'm happy anyway.
It ain't Kool-Aid. Mr. Tripp makes a hell of a mag worth anything he asks for it. My buddy has 3 Tripp custom 1911s and they are amazing guns. Too bad he just decided to quit building pistols. I wish he would have waited for me to get a deposit down on a Commander size 10mm I've been meaning to have him build for me.
I picked up a Chip McCormick Shooting Star mag at Ace the other day. It did the same nose dive on the first try but worked on the second try. I only got to run one mag through it that day.
Today my 2nd Gen. Tripps Cobra Mag arrived and I headed back to the range. I put 6 mags through it some with 8 rds. and some with 8 +1 without a flaw! I tried the CMC three times and it nose dived every time.
I'm SOLD on the Tripps and will be ordering 3 more ASAP.
Now what to do with the other two mags. Buy another 1911 that works with them? No seriously, the feed issue is the ONLY thing I don't love about this gun, and if it continues to run like it did on the last 50 rds. I won't be buying another anytime soon.
Thanks for the advise guys! If it weren't for you guys I probably would have tried the CMC and then just been pissed about buying a crapy gun and sold it.