My Frankford Arsenal digital scales

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by tac foley, Sep 29, 2020.

  1. tac foley

    tac foley Well-Known Member

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    have just gone tits up.

    At least, so it seems.

    I turn it on, and it glows with a reassuring blue screen, showing, after a couple of seconds to calm down, 0.000 gn.

    Trouble is, that's all it EVER shows, no matter what load I put there.

    Anybody else who has had this bother care to advise me on the next step, preferably one that does not involve a short flight into the shop trash can? These things are pretty pricey here in not-so-Merrie Olde Englande.


    TIA.
     
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  2. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Contact the manufacturer and ask for their advice.
     
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  3. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Well-Known Member

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    Sorry Tac, But the majority of all the firearm branded Digital scales are products of China. The quality is pretty much what you get from most things made in China.

    I'd return it for a refund, and search for a pharmaceutical / medical grade digital scale. They are worth every penny that they cost.
     
  4. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Or even better, a quality beam balance.
     
  5. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    This. After going through four digital scales, including an expensive one, i returned to balance beam scales.
     
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  6. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am using an RCBS 505 that is probably older than some of the people on this forum. Gave my Ohaus 1010 to my son in law.
     
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  7. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Some lights or other electrical devices emit radio frequencies that can screw them up. Try a different location.

    Can you try it with batteries to eliminate RMFs?

    Recalibration?

    Is there air moving close to it?
     
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  8. Notrighty

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    Yea electronic scales are great till they stop working. Or worse yet they start reading incorrectly and you put 4 or 5 extra grains of powder in your load. Back to the slow and tedious balance beam scale. I’m in the Hvac business and the same thing happens to the refrigerant scales. They are Chinese and your lucky if they last a year.
     
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  9. Mowgli Terry

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    I'm using a RCBS 2000 right now. I realize the cranky nature of digital scales. Therefore, not one but two beam scales are in reserve when the RCBS scale croaks. I am developing a bad attitude about Midway electronic stuff anyway.
     
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  10. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I use a Pact for initiual setting of the measure because it's quick. When the measure is within .2 grains, I put the Pact away and fine tune on an Ohaus beam balance.

    I would advise to always verify your electronic with a beam.
     
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  11. tac foley

    tac foley Well-Known Member

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    From Mr primer1, Some lights or other electrical devices emit radio frequencies that can screw them up. Try a different location.

    No lights, on a bench in a day-lit shed.

    Can you try it with batteries to eliminate RMFs?

    Not sure what you mean - it operates on two AAA batteries.

    Recalibration?

    To recalibrate it, always assuming that you CAN, it needs to be operating. It isn't operating.

    Is there air moving close to it?

    Nope, not now, it's in the trash bin. :)
     
  12. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Well done, Tac!:)
     
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  13. tac foley

    tac foley Well-Known Member

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    A replacement has been ordered from one of the numerous suppliers here - I'm off to collect in the morning, if the Creek don't rise....

    Last week I collected my 175gr SMKs from the same place $67.84/C...........Holeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Shirt!!!!

    I remember when they were $18.50 and I grumbled then......
     
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  14. tac foley

    tac foley Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, Sir.

    If only you knew how much the occasional 'pat on the fur' means to me.
     
  15. formerCav

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    I use a 40 year old beam scale from hornady t hat came with my 007 press kit back in 1980. USA made.
    Now with my Dillon 550B, I just check the first 3 loads and load em. every now and then I'll do a check and it is right on within + or - 1/10 of a grain. Scottsdale, AZ made
    On thousand yard match loads, I bothered to weigh each one.
    At my level of shooting (87.5 percent on my last highpower gig) I will NEED to HOLD better as the 2 tenths of a grain variation are NOT going to affect my score!
     
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  16. tac foley

    tac foley Well-Known Member

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    My Ohaus-made RCBS 10-10 scale, bought at Wiesbaden R&GC in 1978, is currently on TDY in Cumbria, and right now totally inaccessible for the near future...

    I'm off to one of our four LGS tomorrow to see what I can find, but for sure I won't be buying any kind of Chinese-made beam scales.
     
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  17. Notrighty

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    I use electronic equipment all the time but I don’t trust it because it is usually not the quality it should be. I routeenly use tempeture gauges that need constant calibration. If you have a set of standard weights to confirm your scale than it can be trusted. If I think I’m gettin close to the edge on a load I would never count on an electronic scale. I had one bad experience I won’t repeat.
     
  18. jigs-n-fixture

    jigs-n-fixture Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The inexpensive digital scales are designed to work as gram scales, to the 0.01-gram. Which is 0.154-grains. So even though they display to the 0.1-grains, the aren’t actually that precise.
     
  19. Notrighty

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    Sometimes that doesn’t matter but sometimes it can be a real problem. My electronic scale said I have a certain amt. of charge in a case and when I get to the range I got shoulder slapped on round 4. I thought maybe I’m just gunshy with a lite 45/70 rifle . I thought no take it home and check it out. Pulled the bullets apart and found it was a grain added with every round. The scale went haywire at the worst possible time. So I weighed the the same load 3 times and it progressively lighter. I trashed that 205$ scale and won’t buy another.
     
  20. Notrighty

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    If I’m having problems with any electronic equipment some people say you are a Luddite. I may not embrace tech like every other person but I am sceptic of the cheap Chinese tech available at your Harbor Freight .