My first AR-15 (pics included)

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Gloves, Apr 21, 2010.

  1. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    My 1st Post!

    I live in California (I KNOW!), and am thinking about buying this AR-15 off of
    my friend. I know that they range from $800 to over $2000. But I can't tell
    how much each one is worth for what reason.

    My friend had built 2 at the same time and is now selling me this one. His
    reason is to free up some $$$ to buy anther weapon (dragunov).

    Before I take the plunge, can you tell me if $1000 for the gun and $150 more
    for the scope. The gun was built this year, and has had about 300 rounds of
    .223 but is capable of 5.56.

    I am looking forward to becoming a member of the AR-15 community.

    QUESTION IS, DO I BUY THIS ONE?

    Thanks in advance!!!

    http://www.glovesandclover.com/ar15/90001.jpg
    http://www.glovesandclover.com/ar15/90002.jpg
    http://www.glovesandclover.com/ar15/90003.jpg
    http://www.glovesandclover.com/ar15/90004.jpg
    http://www.glovesandclover.com/ar15/90005.jpg - pic of my shotty, will post more about this later.

    -Gloves Q
    Fremont, CA

    P.S. I'm going to the range tonight and will put some 60 rounds through it.
    I'll let you know how it goes.
     
  2. NGIB

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    I'm not an AR guru at all but I do know that prices have dropped a lot in the last 6-8 months. The scope looks a lot like an NcStar or one of CDNNs basic models - and they do not cost $150. I think a description of what's in it will help our experts tell you if it's a good deal...
     

  3. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Hey, you asked.

    I think he will be making at least $300 off you for the package. >$50 just on the scope. No details on parts.

    Clean the gun before you shoot it!
    Chamber is dirty
    Remove the assembly grease or you may have a fire
    The mag release looks like it needs to be screwed in further
    What is that weird bolt release?

    Unless you know what upper/barrel it has, LPK mfg and trigger type I'd pass on this $1150 carbine. [​IMG]

    Build one yourself, we'll help!
     
  4. 2hot2handle

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    Could the mag release look that way because it has to be Cali legal? I've not seen one before so that would be my only guess there. But that bolt release looks like it was meant so that you can lock the bolt back easier without a mag in maybe?
     
  5. cpttango30

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    If your friend has two of these he is in big trouble. In CA you can not have a detachable mag and a pistol grip. I would pass and tell your friend to keep them hidden or get them out of CA.

    Assault Weapon "Evil Features"

    California Penal Code Section 12276.1

    (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
    (1) a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
    (a) pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
    (b) thumbhole stock.
    (c) folding or telescoping stock
    (d) grenade launcher or flare launcher.
    (e) flash suppressor.
    (f) forward pistol grip.

    The following definitions apply to terms used in the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 12276.1:

    5469 (a) "detachable magazine" means any ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with neither disassembly of the firearm action nor use of a tool being required. A bullet or ammunition cartridge is considered a tool.

    (d) "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top exposed portion of the trigger while firing.


    Basically it breaks down to a single choice and you have to decide what is more important to you. Are you willing to make some ergonomic sacrifices in order to have a rifle with a standard operation magazine release or would you rather sacrifice a little speed when reloading so that you can have features such as a normal pistol grip, forward grip, and collapsible stock?

    I want to have a normal looking rifle
    Then you will need to have a "fixed" magazine. Buy the Prince50 or the Bullet Button magazine lock kit and then you can have all the other evil features you want. It will take a little longer to load. If using the Prince50, you will have to pull the rear takedown pin and top-load into the fixed magazine. If you go with the Bullet Button, all you have to do is insert a bullet tip into the lock, drop out the fixed magazine, and insert another one in it's place. You can only use 10 round magazines in a fixed-magazine rifle.

    I want to have a normal magazine release
    Then you will have to build a "featureless" rifle. Typically this involves using a standard A2 stock or any other non-folding, non-collapsible stock, a non-pistol grip such as the MonsterMan Grip or the U-15, and replacing the flash-hider with a muzzle brake or using a barrel with no muzzle device at all. The bonus of a featureless rifle is that you can legally use 30 round magazines if you had them in your possesion before the ban took effect in 2000.

    More useful links:


    The Off List Lower "Cliffs Notes"
    A California AR/AK "Series" Assault Weapon FAQ
    The Office of the Attorney General Assault Weapons Identification Guide
     
  6. Dzscubie

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    I’m not sure but after talking to Joe this weekend and looking at his CA legal AR I don’t think that that AR is legal in California as it was built last year according to the OP. I believe CA law states that you can’t have a pistol grip on your SUR. I would check with the requirements of the state before I would buy that gun. Just my opinion and not to be considered as fact.
     
  7. The_Rican

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    For that price,you could build your own and have a better scope. Plus make it CA legal.
     
  8. Txhillbilly

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    Run Forrest,Run! I wouldn't buy that gun for that much coin.

    Just like Tango,and Dzscubie said,that weapon is probably illegal to own in Cali. Jo da Plumbr showed us his Cali legal/neutered AR at the Tx Meet/Greet and you have several items on yours that make it fail.
    Collaspable stock,pistol grip,detatchable mag,front grip,and flash arrester.

    Check your state laws before you buy that gun,you are asking for trouble.
     
  9. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    CA legal issue:
    We'll see what the guys at the range say about it in a few hours i'll be there.

    It does have a bullet button that can be tightened down and then will work as a regular button for when/if i travel out of state. (kind of a nice feature)

    The forward grip i believe is completely illegal, but can be taken off with any hex-kit.

    As for the scope, i'll probably take it w/o the scope. We'll see how my night at the range goes.

    Thanks for the input thus-far! All of it is GOLD!

    :::BTW:::
    That pic of my shotty hanging next to my TV uses a Hercules Guitar Wall Hanger where the light can sit on it.
    Example: Hercules Stands GSP38WB Guitar Wall Hanger | Full Compass

    I would like to hang the AR (or another AR) the same way on the other side of my TV, but the guitar grip just won't work does anyone have a solution for that?
     
  10. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    That does look like some kind of bullet button magazine release which makes the gun technically legal to have. Even with the evil features as Tango listed. Very cutting edge of the gray area guns. As long as the receiver is "off list" you can own it. I was not willing to take the chance of running into an LEO that is not as informed of the bullet button loop hole. I don’t want to be trying to explain to my boss why I have an assault weapons charge on my record.

    And price wise I don’t think it is any great bargain. Like cane said build your own. This forum helped me with mine and I take a lot more pride in it for that reason.
     
  11. pagj17

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    Ha Ha yeah i had the same problem...so I carry around a penal code book with different pertinent passages marked off. Won't get me off the hook for sure but it's worth a shot ha ha.
     
  12. cpttango30

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    To me it looks like that thing is illegal as hell in CA.

    Like all the other guys are saying that is not a $1200 gun to begin with. I got a RRA Predator Pursuit Rifle for less than that and it is a 100 times better gun.
     
  13. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    I don’t hang my guns up for display. I keep mine in a safe. And I keep fairly quiet about having guns. Word gets out to the wrong people that I have guns and I am liable to get them stolen.
     
  14. cpttango30

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    IIRC don't you have to have a gunsafe in CA to even purchase a gun. I was with my dad the last time he bought one and they asked him if he had a gun safe.

    Like go said we don't hang them on the walls for the cranksters to have easy access to them. Doing that may make you liable for misuse if they are stolen. Because you didn't take the proper steps to secure them from wrongful use.
     
  15. Gloves

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    Not worried about liablity issues. Lot of weapons in the home for the perps to get hurt with :)

    THE CONFIGURATION:

    Upper:

    Rock River Arms 16 Inch Carbine - YHM Diamond Rail with Rail Gas Block and muzzle brake

    Lower:

    Kaiser Defense Lower
    Stag Parts Kit
    Tactical Bolt Catch (i forget what brand)
    Magpul MOE Pistol Grip
    Magpul ACS Buttstock
    Milspec buffer tube kit
    Magpul 30rd PMAG w/ranger plate
    CA Legal Bullet Button

    Barrel:

    Rock River Arms16'' chrome-lined barrel with1/8 twist, 5.56 chambered

    Scope: NCSTAR MarkIII Tactical scope. I forgot the specs but its etched on the scope.
     
  16. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    The problem is not when you are home to defend yourself and your property. The problem is burglars when you're not home. And now the unarmed burglar is an armed robber because you left a shotgun hanging on the wall for him. And of course you’re unarmed walking in the door because in Calif we can't carry.

    I'm sure not here to tell anyone else how to handle their home security. But for me it's not worth the risk to me, my loved ones, and the community in general, to leave my guns hanging on display.
     
  17. moshpit

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    I have to agree about not leaving my rifle out on display. In fact, it stays locked up in it's case, and it's case stays well hidden when I'm not home. When I'm home, the case stays within sight of me at all times, where ever I'm at in the house. The habit of never letting my weapon out of my sight from the service days is still quite strong with me.
     
  18. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    Reason for wall mounted shotty:
    - no kids in the house. If there were, they would be in a safe.
    - My wife is always home, the shotty is on the wall in the bedroom (last room in house) for her to use if she hears someone enter the house especally while i'm on business trips.
    - It's located in an area you won't notice until leaving the room, not the first place the baddie would look and grab.
    - If we aren't home and we get robbed, then i've lost the gun, and the 6 guitars hanging on display in the bedroom and livroom, computers and possibly TVs if they feel like lugging them.

    Concusion: Safer to have it out than away. Gives my wife POM (#1 reason).
     
  19. Mack Bolan

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  20. Mack Bolan

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    the kids or the shotty?... you said they.:p