My 2 favorite Tactical 22s

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by mag318, Jan 30, 2010.

  1. mag318

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    When the GSG5 came out I liked the way it looked and bought one, did the same thing with the Colt/Umarex M4. Both were fun to shoot and reliable but, I was really turned off by the interior design of both. They required tools to take apart and the GSG5 had screws that needed replacing. The Colt was unbelieveable to take down, 1'st you had to unscrew the flash hider then use a punch to drift the takedown pin put. Once opened, parts that were there only for decoration fell out and you could not remove the bolt or carrier. You basically had to just spray the innards with Gun Blaster to try to get it clean.
    Then the Smith & wesson M&P15-22 came out and what a difference, everything functioned just like a centerfire AR, and takedown was a breeze. I bought an early M&P and it has functioned flawlessly for 2000 rounds. I like this rifle so much I just bought another one with the factory installed flash hider which really looks neat. Sig Sauer came out with their 522 and this too is a quality rifle so I bought one of these too. If it proved as reliable and accurate as the M&P 15-22 I will be happy. So after having experience with 4 different tactical 22s the S&W and the Sig are my two favorites.
     

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  2. CA357

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    Thanks for the information. :cool:
     

  3. spraynpray

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    I like the flash hider on the smith. It was my second choice, but I also bought the SIG 522. I love it.
     
  4. rangeshooter

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    Fired my M&P 15-22 today--no problems

    Bought it Friday at Gander Mtn, even after reading all the ejector/FTF/FTE reviews, cleaned it last night, and today at 7 below here in Fargo when I drove out into the country, fired 25 rounds of CCI into the ditch, got back in truck and filled mag w/Federal Champion and fired 25 into ditch, then filled it w/Blazer and did same. Only one FTF out of 75, about the 12th round in the first magazine of CCI. The next two magazines flawless, and fired the last half of each magazine rapid fire. Alll 4 gun stores in town are still at $499. Will buy one for my son Monday, cuz this is MY gun!
     
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  6. chucksolo69

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    I agree with you on the SIG SG522. It is a well built gun and probably my favorite out of the 3 "tactical" .22s I own. However, as far as the MP 15-22 goes. I won't own one and here's why. First, I like my guns to have a gun like feel and heft to them. The MP has neither. It just feels like a toy very light and cheap feeling. Second, the all plastic construction is a real turn off. When a rifle comes with a plastic receiver, rails and charging handle AND the stock tube is molded to the frame, I can't help but think that S&W built this thing on the cheap. I personally don't care that the thing breaks down like a center fire AR. I can clean my Colt M4 .22 just fine by breaking it down like it says in the manual, ditto for my GSG-5. I find the MP 15-22 is no more or less accurate than any of the other "tactical" .22s I have. The one I shot (my friend's) was brand new so after 500 rounds it was still in tact with no blown extractor. Time will tell if his holds up. Not trying to bash, just talking from experience here.
     
  7. mag318

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    Chuck, I know you and I disagree when it come to the Colt/Umarex M4 and the S&W M&P15-22, but we definately agree on the Sig 522. When I first bought my Colt/Umarex I thought what a great looking clone it was, and I still think it's the best looking tactical 22. The first time I shot it, it was accurate and reliable. After 100 rounds or so the safety fell out, luckily I found it. Taking it apart for cleaning, well you know. Why they designed this the way they did escapes me. First you have to unscrew the flash hider then use a brass punch to drift the rear takedown pin out, that I can live with. But when I saw the pot metal housings inside I was really turned off, and when I couldn't remove the bolt that turned me off even more. If you owned a S&W you'd know how beautifully designed it is. It makes me wonder why Walther didn't design the M4 to be simpler like the S&W. If they had I would be touting their M4. Next time you're shooting your friends ask him if you can take it down and you'll see what I'm talking about. I know the plastic upper and lower turn some people off and yes some people have had extractor trouble, but I've never heard of a cracked receiver or any other problems with the polymer upper and lower.
    If you're happy with yours and the design doesn't bother you, I hope it gives you years of troublefree service. I just feel that the M&P15-22 and the Sig 522 are much better designed rifles. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.
    I haven't shot my Sig yet, to cold here in Illinois. I have taken it apart and it was just as simple as the M&P to field strip, just the way it should be. If it's as reliable an accurate as the M&P15-22 I'll be very satisfied with it.
     
  8. chucksolo69

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    Well, the pot metal on the Colt is limited to the bolt carrier, which shouldn't pose a problem because it is quite thick. As long as the bolt is steel, and it is, then I'm OK with that. I agree with you that the M&P is designed more like an AR than the Colt, but had they made the gun more like an M4 and less "plasticy", that would have sold me on it. As far as the SIG goes, you are going to fall in love with the thing once you do shoot it. I have a BSA RGB dot sight on mine and it is very accurate at 25-50 yards...about 1-2 inch one hole groups. Having shot my friend's M&P 15-22 along side my SIG, I can say that accuracy is about the same, as is reliability. It's just that the SIG feels so much more substantial than the Smith. The SIG is the gun I will take in the field when it comes time to get some bunnies in the pot!!!! If I were to keep just one of these "black rifle" .22s it would definately be the SIG.
     
  9. mag318

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    Chuck, I'll let you know after I finally shoot it, but I have a suspicion that you are right. I really like the stock design and it does feel substantial. I saw one with green furniture at a gunshow Saturday and it looked great. I understand that newer versions of the 522 are going to come with iron sights which seems to be the only complaint on these and they might by coming with quadrails. I really like the feel of the Swiss style handguards. As you can see from my photos I put a BSA scope that I had laying around mounted on high rings. The lack of sights don't bother me since I planned to put an optic on it anyway. Does yours have any ammo preference? My S&W, Colt/Umarex and the GSG5 all functioned perfectly with CCI MiniMags and Federal 710s.
    I did dryfire my 522 on a snap cap and the trigger is the best one yet out of the box.
     
  10. jpattersonnh

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    Tactical 22s? I really like the exposed spring in the mag, Didn't the French try that in WW1. I must be wrong!
    So what is a tactical .22?
     
  11. mag318

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    Tactical 22 is a misnomer started by the various gun writers. I think lookalike would be more appropriate.
     
  12. Shihan

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    You Don't Know??
     

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  13. chucksolo69

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    I found exactly what you did, that it likes HV ammo of any kind. I tried the CCI MiniMags, Federal Bulk, and the new Winchester HV ammo with virtually no issues; I have NOT tried Remington ammo though. I too have dried fired mine with snap caps from Pachmayr and you are 100% correct. Out of all my "black rifle" .22s, the SIG has the best trigger hands down.

    BTW - To the other poster, I think when people talk about "tactical" .22 rifles they should be referring to them as "black rifle" .22s or clones.
     
  14. haha reminds me of spaceballs XD they carried calicos i actaully have a friend who has one of the like 5 calicos they used on the set
     
  15. Zacsquatch

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    My 522 is by far my favorite firearm...

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  16. mag318

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    How's this for something different, a Ruger 10-22 M1 Carbine.
     

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    I saw the M1 carbine stock on another website last night- I think it was another website. Anyway, the pics I saw had the 10/22 version beside an actual M1 and the resemblance was uncanny. This is a great lookng stock if you like the M1 style. I have a 10/22 and am just waiting for an actual tactical style that doesn't look cheap or silly and cost an arm and a leg. I'll probably end up getting a GSG one of these days just because of its coolness. It would be nice if the GSG came in something like a .17HMR or .22 mag.- .22 longs and shorts are kind of wimpy.
     
  18. mag318

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    Getting back to my original post on my two favorite 22's. I just dressed up the M&P15-22 slightly with the addition of neoprene ladders for the handguard, and swithing the original rear sight with an A2 type.
     

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  19. zhuk

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    Yes I was kinda wondering that myself lol


    Mmmm...illegal deliciousness! :D


    (Funny how ALL semis of any calibre got banned here when the *alleged* Port Arthur gunman used an AR & FN... :rolleyes:)
     
  20. mag318

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    I don't think this rifle will be dragged thru the mud anytime, and with the demise of trench warfare I'm not to worried about the open magazine.