My 1st gun show, my 1st two purchases?

Discussion in 'Gun Shows' started by kreecher, May 8, 2012.

  1. kreecher

    kreecher New Member

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    Bought my first two sks rifles at the Ohio Bureau gun show on April 28/29. Bought one on sat and one on sun. What was interesting, is that I bought one from a licensed dealer and one from a private collector. The licensed dealer had to run a background check on me and the private collector said we had only to exchange ids (Ohio) to make it legal (gun show loop hole I guess). I said, we'll how do you know that I'm not a criminal? He said, I saw you buy one from the guy behind me yesterday, I knew you were good to go. I said again, how do you really know? He said, I don't. I take the same risk as you if you were selling your gun to your neighbor. Most of the same laws apply. Not too sure where I fall on this one yet? It just made me think twice, because I sold about half of my guns (mostly shotguns) before I moved a few years ago to someone I really didn't know that well. BTW, the place was packed arm to arm.
     
  2. wjnfirearms

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    I don't know about Ohio legal idiosyncracies, but if you are talking about the show at the Cuyahoga Fairgrounds, I was there Sunday. It was definately a good show. That was where I traded my S&W 28 for a 19 and $. I also found an interesting piece, a Maadi, made in Egypt, bought it and had it resold same day.

    Hopefully, someone more knowledgable on Ohio gun laws can fill in the blanks here. In Pa., long guns can be sold without a 4473, but not handguns. Is the Buckeye the same?
     

  3. flyspooky

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    Kreecher: How many cars have you sold before? Did you know the buyer didn't have a drinking problem and could use your car to carelessly run someone down? Criminals aren't trolling through gun shows, casually purchasing their weapons. There is no "gun show loophole." It's s sale of a used product between two citizens.
     
  4. kreecher

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    Yeah I'm talking about the one in Cuyahoga. It was a great show, they'll be back in july, can't wait. It's not really a gun show loop hole (as the left would call it), just interesting. Something I didn't expect, nor did I know that under cover agents work the shows. Nor did I know that the private collector or myself could have been arrested if I was a felon.
     
  5. kreecher

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    The private collector said one thing to me which I thought was good advice. Just because you don't fill out the paper work doesn't mean that the same laws don't apply. I'm going to think twice about selling any of my own personal guns to some yahoo that I don't even know, like i did a few years ago.
     
  6. silverado113

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    kreecher MOST (not all) states don't require much if any paperwork between private sellers. It's been that way for quite some time.
     
  7. kreecher

    kreecher New Member

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    I hope it stays that way. I'm not a big fan of the govt knowing everything I own or their stupid laws. Didn't know anything about this 922r stuff. Going to cost me about an extra hundred or so to make one of my sks that I just bought technically legal. Live and learn I guess.
     
  8. hiwall

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    The private seller has no choice. He can not do a "check" on you. He could sell his guns to a dealer for reduced prices or sell to a private party with no "check".
     
  9. silverado113

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    TAPCO has a nice little section on their site about it http://www.tapco.com/section922r/
     
  10. kreecher

    kreecher New Member

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    922r seems to be all over the map? Picked up my T/C rifle (that's another thread) from my local gunsmith. Asked him about 922r, he said don't won't worry about. I don't know what to think anymore? Took Dad out fishing this weekend on lake Erie (he's 73), had the DNR asking us for our licenses in 3ft rollers, 6 miles out, 5ft away with binoculars. Felt so sorry for my Dad trying to find his license. Govt getting a little crazy, regardless of what front you are on.
     
  11. Kdub

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    As far as Utah is concerned there is no paperwork needed between private owners selling firearms. That being said I fill out 2 bills of sale with each partys info. That way if the buyer uses said firearm in a criminal way I have something saying I sold it to him and here is the proof. On the other side if the seller reports said firearm stolen buyer can say he sold it to me and here is the proof.
     
  12. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Same here in Central Florida as far as private sales only needing to show a Florida ID.
     
  13. kreecher

    kreecher New Member

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    Anybody from California or New York like to weigh in? What are your guns show like there or do you even have them?
     
  14. PDSR California

    I used to live in the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of California (emphasis on 'used to').

    Private gun sales are forbidden by law. All firearms must be sold via a FFL holder. For which, of course, they have to prepare documents and charge a fee. Could anyone imagine the uproar if one's used car had to be sold through a licensed car dealer? (Like the one sold on Craig's list and not re-registered that was used in the attempted Time's Square bombing last year or so?)

    The 'gun show loophole' is Leftist jargon for 'being able to dispose of one's personal property without governmental permission or interference'. I now live in Nebraska - the Heartland! - and can purchase from or sell to other private parties without let or hindrance. Licensed gun dealers have other requirements like filling out the federal forms and doing checks.

    At the same time, if I'm selling a gun, I will not sell to someone who gives me a bad feeling or seems to be up to no good. It is my property, after all. Not to mention my conscience.
     
  15. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Whenever I've sold or traded a gun, I checked for a CCW permit. That's not a state law in Mississippi, its MY law. For my own peace of mind.
     
  16. beaglesam

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    That is an excellent point. If they have CCW they are deemed ok by law enforcement.
     
  17. medic6882

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    Does anyone know Indiana gun show rules. I was told if you have a license to carry the dealer doesn't have to run the federal check. Also do they charge to run the background checks ? I'm going to be going to my first show in a few weeks and just want to be prepared.
     
  18. Gh0zt36

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    Walk into a building with armed guards everywhere and all firearms are behind bulletproof glass with people everywhere oogling at them saying things like " Man , I wish we were allowed to own those here " xD:rolleyes:
     
  19. pagj17

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    Well, the same rules at a gun show apply as at a dealer, paperwork etc. Private party transfers aren't private, Nics check etc. Still get performed.
     
  20. KEYBEAR

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    At one time if you had a Indiana carry license you still did the paper work but no waiting period ( it was 3 days) . Now the carry license makes little to no difference .