My 100 year old shotgun (see Photo)

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by Dearhunter, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. Dearhunter

    Dearhunter Supporting Member Supporter

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    About 20 years ago I did someone a favor, in return he gave me an old shotgun that his uncle gave him. It was a 1911 Winchester auto loading 12 gauge. It was not in the best of condition, but the bore was like new. It was Winchesters first auto loading shotgun. I took it apart, cleaned, checked and polished major parts. I did some work on the stock and forward hand grip. Then cold blued the entire shotgun myself. It was a lot of work but fun.
    You will note in one picture that the barrel has a knurled area on it. You had to pull the barrel back-wards into the housing to cycle a shell into the chamber and this was your hand grip. There was no breach lever. Some placed the gun on the ground and pushed down with two hands. This is how the shot gun got its name "the widow maker". It was the BIGGEST MISTAKE WINCHESTER EVER MADE.
    Look it up on the net, there is a good story about it. I would never use it, but its good to have as conversational piece in my collection of guns.
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  2. akers06

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    My dad has one of these guns....they are not dangerous as long as your not stupid about it....my dad uses his for squirrels, rabbits, upland birds, and is gonna try to get a turkey with it this year....I have shot skeet with it before....it is a really nice gun
     

  3. akers06

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    Also my dads is in really good condition we ran the serial numbers and it came back made it 1918....it is worth around $800
     
  4. Dearhunter

    Dearhunter Supporting Member Supporter

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    100 year old shotgun

    The serial numbre on mine is in the 4000 range, it has an A over the serial number. Where can you check the numbers?
     
  5. akers06

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    My dad found it somewhere...I will ask him tomorrow and let you know
     
  6. Txhillbilly

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    That's a good looking ole scattergun.You did a good job on it.

    My favorite shotgun is a 1906 Remington Auto-loader.It's a Browning A5,that J.M.Browning sold Remington the copyrights to manufacture.Remington later changed the name to the Model 11.
    I hunt with it every year,it is built like a tank,and it'll still be shooting when a lot of the newer guns are too broke to fix/shoot anymore.I also hunt with a 1930's Savage 520 Humpback pump shotguns.It also is a Browning designed shotgun,and built like a tank.
     
  7. Txhillbilly

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    Email Winchester,They should be able to give you info on the manufacture date of the gun.
     
  8. akers06

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    I use to have an old hump back savage auto that looked like the model 11s and auto fives....it shot good but my god it had a kick to it
     
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  9. hiwall

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    Serials in the 4000 range is second year of production 1912
     
  10. akers06

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    I just talked to my dad he said his #s are 17,xxx and his was made in 1917 so 1912 sounds about right....my dad has a winchester guns book and that's how Yw looked his numbers up
     
  11. barneygoogle

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    Nice gun, and hard to find too. This was the only humpback shotgun with the Winchester name. Designed by T C Johnson, Winchester was trying to keep pace with the Browning A5.
    The model 1911 ended in 1925 after selling 83000 guns.
    It was then redesigned and introduced as the model 40, without the hump.
    Although the book prices reflect the 1911 as unpopular and therefore the prices are low, but these guns will bring a better that book value price due to the collectors seeking the only humpback shotgun with the Winchester name.
     
  12. Virginian

    Virginian Active Member

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    Winchester couldn't put an operating handle on it because of Browning's patents, hence the workaround they came up with. Winchester passed up the opportunity to acquire the rights to make the Browning patent autoloader, even though he gave them the first shot, after several successful collaborations with Mister Browning before that. No doubt they had many regrets, as they played catch up in the semiautoloading shotgun market for decades after that.
     
  13. Nighthawk63

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    Nice old gun

    I own a few old winchester model 12 shotguns and they can still be shot. I have a Winchester model 1897 that my papaw gave to me before he passed away.