MSNBC story Record numbers now licensed to pack heat

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  1. Last Crow

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    Firearms deaths fall as millions obtain permits to carry concealed guns
    By Mike Stuckey
    Senior news editor
    msnbc.com
    updated 8:43 a.m. ET, Wed., March. 24, 2010
    Waving a chromed semiautomatic pistol, the robber pushed into the building in the bustling Five Points neighborhood of Columbia, S.C., just before 11 p.m. on April 11, 2009. “Gimme what you got!” he yelled, his gun hand trembling.
    Attorney Jim Corley was one of four people in the room, the lounge area of a 12-step recovery group’s meeting hall. “He said, ‘Give me your wallet,’” Corley recalled. “So I reached around to my back pocket and gave him what was there.”
    Unfortunately for the gunman, later identified as Kayson Helms, 18, of Edison, N.J., that was Corley’s tiny Kel-Tec .32, hidden in a wallet holster and loaded with a half-dozen hollow points. Corley fired once into the robber’s abdomen. The young man turned. Corley fired twice more, hitting him in the neck and again in the torso. Helms ran into the night and collapsed to die on a railroad embankment 100 feet away.
    Reports filed by officers who arrived at the scene a short time later called it an “exceptionally clear” case of justifiable homicide. Following South Carolina’s “Castle Doctrine,” which allows the use of deadly force in self-defense, police did not arrest Corley. They did not interrogate him. Corley was offered the opportunity to make a voluntary statement, which he did.
    Helms’ friends and relatives were left to mourn, barred by the same Castle Doctrine from filing a civil lawsuit.
    Jim Corley became an unintentional spokesman for a burgeoning movement of millions of Americans who secretly and legally pack pistols in waistbands, under jackets, strapped to ankles, stashed in purses or — like Corley — tucked in hip pockets.
    From its beginnings in the 1980s, the “right-to-carry” movement has succeeded in boosting the number of licensed concealed-gun carriers from fewer than 1 million to a record 6 million today, according to estimates from gun-rights groups that are supported by msnbc.com’s research. And while hotly debated, the effect of this dramatic increase is largely unknown.
    Gun enthusiasts claim a link between more private citizens carrying concealed weapons and the nation’s dramatic decrease in violent crime. Gun-control activists argue that concealed-carry permits are being handed out to people who should never get them, sometimes resulting in tragic, needless shootings.
    Effect on crime is hotly debated
    But even with the push to expand concealed-carry rights now in its third decade, no scientific studies have reached any widely accepted conclusions about the movement’s effect on crime or personal safety.
    Statistics from the national Centers for Disease Control do indicate that the murder and mayhem predicted by many opponents of concealed-carry laws have not come to pass. But even that point, while celebrated by gun-rights activists and conceded by some concealed-carry opponents, is disputed by others.
    Both sides do agree on one thing: More Americans than ever are carrying hidden guns.
    Firearms laws have been growing more relaxed across the United States for years. Gun-control activists have failed in efforts to re-enact the nationwide ban on certain semiautomatic rifles they call “assault weapons.” They were unable to block a change in federal law, signed by President Obama this year, which allows guns to be carried in national parks. And they watched in dismay as the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June 2008 that the Second Amendment grants residents of Washington, D.C., the right to own and keep loaded handguns in their homes.
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    Record numbers now licensed to pack heat - Life- msnbc.com
     
  2. robocop10mm

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    Hooray for concealed weapons permits!!!! The parasitic vermin are feeling the heat (pun intended). When they can no longer act with impunity because they have a stolen pistol to wave around, crime goes down. Amazing isn't it?
     

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    What a great story to support "concealed carry"!
     
  5. alhefner

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    Coming from MSNBC, it really is a good article!

    Now, if we could only get the reporter to read the book "More Guns, Less Crime"!
     
  6. Last Crow

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    I saw the link to I do my hunting with a camera. I just had to post the gun poster.
     

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  7. alhefner

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    Last Crow, I hear ya! I don't carry a firearm with me but some critters can get a bit close:

    [​IMG]

    That is one of four that came running in to a call. I let them get to about 20 feet before I stood up and scared them off.
     
  8. AIKIJUTSU

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    Guns in South Carolina

    About the Columbia, South Carolina incident, a current bill in the SC legislature, which is expected to pass, will allow anyone who can legally own a gun to carry anywahere in the state without a permit. It even states that no longer can a store owner, church, etc, post a sign saying NO FIREARMS. The only places where carrying will carrying will be illegal is US Federal Gov't buildings, and I think they need to unloaded and remain in the owner's car on school grounds (I'm not sure of this). In addition South Carolina will still issue permits if requested, to keep the reciprocity with other states alive.
     
  9. Overkill0084

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    It started out a bit weepy sounding, but I was pleasantly surpised. For MSNBC that was a surprisingly balanced article. I was expecting a typical liberal diatribe about the evil gunowners and NRA.
     
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    I guess the only states left that deny their residents the right to defend themselves are the notorious Wisconsin and Illinois, where they are dedicated to the principle of keeping the streets safe for criminals.
     
  11. cuate

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    Texas Gun Bills being Considered

    Open carry by anyone that can legally own a firearm.
    Concealed carry by CHL holders on College Campus.
    Firearms in owner's vehicles in Employer Parking Lots

    The guns on College Campus seems to be the most contested by the liberals and anti gun crowd .

    Some thought or discussion concerning Open Carry needing a CHL which in-
    cludes a thorough Police background check before issue, including a passport photo, and fingerprints.

    These bills seem to take the back burner against the economy and how to keep the state on a good financial footing.
     
  12. pandamonium

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    Hell Jersey is still a may issue state. But there is legal action in progress that MAY make this a shall issue state. Fingers crossed.

    My wish is that the federal gov would make it illegal to make any law infringing on our GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS!!! After all, regardless of the way our elected representatives have raped the Constitution, it is STILL the Highest Law of the Land!! NO state should be able to regulate our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!!! I know I am dreaming here, but if our other Rights were "infringed" as much as the Second Amendment, folks would be rioting in the friggin streets! What makes the Second so damn debatable!

    The anti-intelligence group makes the lamest arguments too, like we are all gun shop owners, quoted from the article; Kristen Rand, legislative director for the Violence Policy Center, a gun-control group, said the movement “has to do with selling more guns.” While it was pushed by groups like the NRA, it also “dovetailed with the gun industry’s desperate need to find a new market.” Pathetic...
     
  13. AcidFlashGordon

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    That story must have scared the pink panties off all the wussies at PMSNBC..... [​IMG]
     
  14. WannaGator

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    I don't watch PMSNBC as it may cause uncontrolled vomiting. ;)

    To the OP great post.
     
  15. alsaqr

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    MSNBC makes me wanna puke and i usually don't watch it. i did watch the big lie about the Remington 700 rifle.

    Right there is the thing that MSNBC is bent out of shape about. They want the family of the late scumbag to sue in civil court and collect a big judgement. MSNBC is po'd that the family is not allowed a forum to lie and claim that their beloved son and brother "turning his life around".
     
  16. GaryE

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    May the number of gun owner increase

    I hope that people triple the current number of gun owners. If your state says
    you can't do it anyway. Its your right! Its not governments right to tell you that you can't have a gun. Take alook at the crime and troubles they are having in countries such as England and others that have disarmed their citizens. Read the plan Hitler sent out to Germany's citizens when he convinced them to disarm
    themselves. The after math was genocide.